What a weekend for Sweden! The quadfecta could’ve been completed with a healthy Berquist. Impressive though.
Nieto- Anyone else, American Record soon???
Oly HJ
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[i]Originally posted by todd[/i]
What a weekend for Sweden! The quadfecta could’ve been completed with a healthy Berquist. Impressive though.Nieto- Anyone else, American Record soon???
I’m rooting for Nieto to do it. He was a former college teammate of mine.
I actually have the distinction of being former teammates of two of arguably two of the three best HJers in the US in Jaime Nieto and Nathan Leeper.
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Outstanding performers.
Some oddities here though. Like how exactly do you blow out an achilles at the start of an HJ runup???
Mrs K tells of her Level 2 class when the instructor (a Dr. ?) told that you just dont blow up an A. Tendon like that.Holm at 5′ 11″ jumping 7′ 9″ is outstanding but brings out my curious nature when you remember that Kajsa did roughly the same at 5′ 9″? jumping 2.06 in 2003, pre-injury.
Kluft, Olsson, Thornblad each are jumping out of their minds
A hept. that jumps 1.91?Strand has lost the better part of 2 years to injuries.
Odd mix of circumstances, this “Swedish Formula” of success.
Mike: If this post is too risque, of course pull it. But using the “my mom” measuring stick, what would your mom say when given the basics behind this success story?
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I am implying that one of 3 things is at work.
1. These folks have figured out something the rest of the world hasnt.
2. The northern climate that doesnt benefit my vertical, somehow does theirs?
3. That there is something else at work here.
Ever see the picture of Kajsa squatting with more than 450 lbs? I know, big deal right? But if you look at the picture and see that it is: shot outdoors on the track infield, and there is no squat rack, only 2 fixed uprights who’s base is a welded-on car wheel, its clear that the weight she is working with was of NO safety concern at the time (there is only one other person in the photo and he is way behind her to be of any help)
PS why did she get to 6′ 6 3/4″ with her long time coach then leave him for Tregaro? shortly thereafter becoming injured.
I am open to something that supports the phenoma at work here but since Matty Candrl hasnt translated anything that explains it, and I have been unsuccessful as well after 3 years of research, I am at a loss for a reasonable explaination at this time.
Look back at past history when a small nation has had 5 or 6 dominant athletes in one specialized area. What is your recall of what came out eventually. The population base, climate, etc. does not wash as far as all these jumpers, reaching the level they have, all at the same time, …
Now, for example say the Aussies, investing in all sport as a whole, and improving across the board in medal count, following a 20 year plan is one thing, but this has to at least bring up the question doesnt it?
I hope its all legit, and just as much hope I will find out how they are doing it if legit. But public stands like this arent going to get me any free Saab’s anytime soon.
They have employed a machine that allows deep squats with a supermaximal weight and the machine thru computer monitoring, adds just enough assistance on the concentric phase to complete the lift.
Perhaps for now I should just say,
Nice hairline Steph?Wish I could recall what his dad’s mop looked like.
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They have employed a machine that allows deep squats with a supermaximal weight and the machine thru computer monitoring, adds just enough assistance on the concentric phase to complete the lift.This type of machine exists in the U.S. I believe Kaiser makes one as well as several other lesser known companies. Besides pneumatic machines it’s probably the only strength training device I lust after.
Perhaps for now I should just say,
Nice hairline Steph?Wish I could recall what his dad’s mop looked like.
I think he had a full head of hair.
I’m not sure what to make of their recent success. They certainly don’t have the physical traits of enhanced athletes although this isn’t always obvious. I’d like to think that they are getting the job done with “systematically applied, long term coaching plans from quality coaches.”
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I think Kajsa had injury problems before switching to Tregaro – not a bad move in my mind. The problem was having surgery too late into the training year (spring 2004), thus having insufficient time for recovery/training for outdoors. Surgery should be done in the fall if possible. In this case, they kind of knew she had problems from the previous summer but still tried to manage throug this year. Obviously it failed and a total rupture of her achilles tendon became reality. Btw. Viljo Nousiainen (the coach of Patrik Sjöberg) used to coach both Olsson and Tregaro in their youth. I think Tregaro is using the same concept/philosophy as Viljo did.
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I have been trying for about 3 years to uncover at least a hint of whats up over there.
Mike, I think they refer to their machine as a “Bronfmann(sp) Machine” You ever have people do any work with weight releasers?
At the least, there are a lot of oddities running lead leg on their success relay…
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[i]Originally posted by coachformerlyknownas…[/i]
Mike, I think they refer to their machine as a “Bronfmann(sp) Machine” You ever have people do any work with weight releasers?I personnally used one at the Acceleration facility in Salt Lake City, UT last summer. I haven’t used one to train anyone though 🙁 . I have however trained some athletes using a jimmy rigged alternative that hooks onto both sides of a squat bar which can be used to overload the eccentric portion. In this setup, the overload was hooked onto the bar such that as the athlete got to their lowest position, the overload would hit the floor and the hooks would rock off of the bar so that the concentric portion of the lift could be performed without the overload.
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The writer of this story must have been following this thread.
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Hey all, just read this forum and thought it was pretty interesting, especially a little bit of the negativity and hinting:) Anyways I have one idea why Sweden inparticular but European countries in general do so well in some of the field events and that is interest. I was born in Canada however have trained in the U.S.A and i think there is a reason other than coaching and specific training groups antics to explain their sprinting success. I think it is due to kids who grow up wanting to be 100m champion, that is where the money and popularity is, if they cant be 100m champ they move on to other events. I haven’t met many young kids who growup wanting to be Mike Powell, but i have heard of lots of kids wanting to be Carl lewis (the sprinting version) or maurice green. The way I see it this is how european’s veiw field events. Peolpe want to be the next Edwards etc. So if the U.S.A can be so great at sprints maybe it makes sense that Europe can have such great field eventers.
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Nice points. I almost said something very similar with regards to javelin throwing in Finland but I wasn’t sure if a similar situation was at work in Sweden also.ELITETRACK Founder
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