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    Police / Military Training

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          400stud on December 27, 2008 at 6:56 am #15188

          Hello all,

          I have an interesting scenario I’d like to discuss. I’m thinking long-term here. When I say long-term, I mean it will be about 2-3 years before seeing the true rewards. Long-story short, I have 2 years left on my Bachelor’s and I’ll be going into a one-year Master’s program before applying for the local police departments.

          Now, what I am trying to accomplish is this: optimal endurance and strength training while stimulating functional hypertrophy. All this in 3 years.

          As soon as I’m done with my education I want to go to the police departments and be in top-notch shape. For me, I compare the academy training to military training, but as anyone in the military knows, there is no true “plan” to military training, it’s all about just pushing until your body gives.

          I currently weigh in around 155-160lbs at 5’10”. My bodyfat is low, but it could be lower. I’m losing most of my definition in my muscles, but it’s still somewhat around (ab definition is about gone). I’d like to be around 180-185lbs with 5-7% bodyfat.

          I want to gain weight for personal reasons, but being an officer, I know that having a “command presence” is key and a skinny guy like myself will have more problems than a bigger, stronger officer. Take into account that a bigger muscle has more potential to be a stronger muscle, and there you go.

          Now, here is a kicker. While trying to gain weight, I need to develop endurance as well. The academy minimum is 1.5 miles in 14:00 and my last 1.5 mile run was in 10:45. I was running 3 miles in around 18:00 while in the Marine Corps, but have since lost that endurance. The academy runs get to 5-6, maybe even 8 miles in a 9-10:00 pace by the end of the academy.

          Finally, while getting bigger and developing endurance, I need to get stronger. My weightlifting needs to be for size and strength. Being strong relative to bodyweight is huge, especially when carrying around the gun belt and possibly having to wrestle with suspects.

          So, to sum it all up, here is what I need help in creating a plan for:

          Bodyweight – 180-185lbs
          Bodyfat – 5-7%

          1.5 mile time – 8:00-8:30 mins
          3 mile time – <18:00
          6-8 miles - at steady 9-10:00 / mile pace
          Pullups - 25+ (with goal bodyweight)
          Bench Press - 1.5x's goal bodyweight for 3RM (Approximately 270lbs)
          Squat - 2.5x's goal bodyweight for 1RM (Approximately 450lbs)

          Since everything I would like is in relation to goal bodyweight, should I train for bodyweight first and then move to endurance while maintaining/gaining strength, or which should I move towards first? In whatever direction I need to move first, how do I go about doing it so it is still functional?

          Any help is appreciated. I hope we can really get some good discussion on this since it is, after all, a different method of training.

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          premium on December 27, 2008 at 12:59 pm #75790

          i’d say train for size/strength as you regularly would…increase caloric intake (good calories of course)

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          Daniel Andrews on December 27, 2008 at 1:53 pm #75796

          You are not going to have problems with hitting 14 minutes for 1.5 miles if you are at 10:45 currently I don’t care how much muscle you gain.

        • Member
          400stud on December 27, 2008 at 2:33 pm #75797

          I’m not worried about the 14 min mark, I’m worried about maintaining a good speed for much longer distances (<18 for 3 miles for example) in spite of the added weight I want to and need to carry.

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          Daniel Andrews on December 27, 2008 at 2:38 pm #75798

          I’m not worried about the 14 min mark, I’m worried about maintaining a good speed for much longer distances (<18 for 3 miles for example) in spite of the added weight I want to and need to carry.

          My last PFT in the Marine Corps done at Camp Hansen in Okinawa was at 195lbs at 5'9" and I still ran a 17:30. It was bloody awful, but I lost about 10 lbs to make that happen. If you add muscle your speed will not suffer that bad. It's just hard to do high mileage and gain weight. My range was from 15:30-18:40 while I was in and my weight was from 140-210.

        • Member
          400stud on December 29, 2008 at 4:02 am #75873

          I understand that you can be a big boy and be functional. I’m not trying to win any marathons or anything, just have the ability to sustain my pace for a period of time with a few extra pounds.

          After doing research, I started thinking that it would probably be easiest to gain the muscle mass first then cut as needed. Considering that if I gained too much fat, cutting through cardio would be most necessary, I can conclude that this is almost in line to start training for the weight loss and mileage at the same time.

          Now here’s the thing, what type of weightlifting scheme would be best for strength and size? Here is where the question now lies…

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