A friend of mine sent this to me yesterday. I think the same could be said about Athletic Development methods and concepts.A self-important college freshman walking along the beach took it upon himself to explain to a senior citizen resting on the steps why it was impossible for the older generation to understand his generation. You grew up in a different world, actually an almost primitive one th
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Hahahaha. I think my dad would like that one. I was listening to the lyrics of that song “Waiting on the World to Change” and I kind of thought along the same lines. Some people may be waiting on the world to change because their is no use fighting when the fight ain’t fair, but I think that it’s those who fight today when it ain’t fair (Rosa Parks) that paves the road to a fair fight. How does this relate? What are we doing for our generation? Are we going to stand around and wait or are we going to fight?
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Hahahaha. I think my dad would like that one. I was listening to the lyrics of that song “Waiting on the World to Change” and I kind of thought along the same lines. Some people may be waiting on the world to change because their is no use fighting when the fight ain’t fair, but I think that it’s those who fight today when it ain’t fair (Rosa Parks) that paves the road to a fair fight. How does this relate? What are we doing for our generation? Are we going to stand around and wait or are we going to fight?
There is no longer a feeling of community in Today’s world. Today’s government entities by and large don’t understand this and is probably the main reason for the economic collapse in this country. I tend to side with Republicans on most issues, but on 4 very important topics I don’t agree with them because they stifle invention or they cut the capital infrastructure from under local governments. These happen to be:
1. Stem Cell Research – Anything that interferes with biological research in the name of God is blasphemy. If God didn’t want us to know he would taken the Knowledge from us and destroyed and recreated man after Eve gave Adam the Apple from the Forbidden tree.
2. Taxing of internet goods – A state should be able to levy a tax on goods from a business housed in a state and A state should be able to levy a tax on goods sold in a state. A national sales tax of 3% with 1% going to the state in which the goods were sold, 1% going to the state were the goods were shipped, and 1% to going to a national fund.
3. Digital Rights Management – Should be abolished, let the market decide when to change technology protection with R&D advancements. DRM doesn’t prevent piracy it makes it illegal to make backups of media that you rightfully bought. The pirates will always break laws. Right now this is the only thing keeping linux from making a huge dent in the OS market at the desktop or settop level.
4. Internet Poker – The revenue from licensing, taxation, verification, cryptography innovations should make any government entity happy to partake. Not to mention another way for Big Brother to keep an eye on potential tax cheats. Can you imagine the money involved in giving out 3 bids for license on a 3 year basis?
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[quote author="Wisconman" date="1238188339"]Hahahaha. I think my dad would like that one. I was listening to the lyrics of that song “Waiting on the World to Change” and I kind of thought along the same lines. Some people may be waiting on the world to change because their is no use fighting when the fight ain’t fair, but I think that it’s those who fight today when it ain’t fair (Rosa Parks) that paves the road to a fair fight. How does this relate? What are we doing for our generation? Are we going to stand around and wait or are we going to fight?
There is no longer a feeling of community in Today’s world. Today’s government entities by and large don’t understand this and is probably the main reason for the economic collapse in this country. I tend to side with Republicans on most issues, but on 4 very important topics I don’t agree with them because they stifle invention or they cut the capital infrastructure from under local governments. These happen to be:
1. Stem Cell Research – Anything that interferes with biological research in the name of God is blasphemy. If God didn’t want us to know he would taken the Knowledge from us and destroyed and recreated man after Eve gave Adam the Apple from the Forbidden tree.
2. Taxing of internet goods – A state should be able to levy a tax on goods from a business housed in a state and A state should be able to levy a tax on goods sold in a state. A national sales tax of 3% with 1% going to the state in which the goods were sold, 1% going to the state were the goods were shipped, and 1% to going to a national fund.
3. Digital Rights Management – Should be abolished, let the market decide when to change technology protection with R&D advancements. DRM doesn’t prevent piracy it makes it illegal to make backups of media that you rightfully bought. The pirates will always break laws. Right now this is the only thing keeping linux from making a huge dent in the OS market at the desktop or settop level.
4. Internet Poker – The revenue from licensing, taxation, verification, cryptography innovations should make any government entity happy to partake. Not to mention another way for Big Brother to keep an eye on potential tax cheats. Can you imagine the money involved in giving out 3 bids for license on a 3 year basis?[/quote]
I guess I don’t really understand your stand on #1. I don’t know what denomination you are of but I believe free will was granted to us for us to make the decisions on what is right and wrong. No knowledge is withheld from us, it’s just our decision if we want to use that knowledge, like the a-bomb, or not. I’m not comparing biological research to the a-bomb I’m just using it as an example of dangerous knowledge.
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Wisconman:
My stand on #1 is saying the religious right is being blasphemous about knowledge and research in a baseless attempt to stem (no pun intended) abortion rights with their pro-life movement. To act in the name of God as God’s messenger when you are not is blasphemous.
I hear you on free will, but unfortunately so many pseudo-christian and psuedo-freewill put out their own emotional tyranny we are never set free by the truth in front of us.
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I think I see where you are coming from. God’s messenger? Stemming abortion rights with a pro-life movement? I guess those aren’t really terms I’m affiliated with. Are you coming from the standpoint of a non-believer? Or are you saying that “anything related with abortion (stem cell research) is evil” as a standpoint of some christians is emotional tyranny? I think there is a distinct line between “thinking” Christians and “following” christians. Of course, the emotional fire is a part of our religion, though I fell it needs to be directed and guided correctly as should any emotion.
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ParticipantFederal Funding is my tax money and the biotechs get money hand over fist. Forget the christian right and let’s talk about taxes and obama. I am not saying stem cell research is good or bad as that’s one discussion that will go nowhere. Funding from our tax money?
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Federal Funding is my tax money and the biotechs get money hand over fist. Forget the christian right and let’s talk about taxes and obama. I am not saying stem cell research is good or bad as that’s one discussion that will go nowhere. Funding from our tax money?
Our tax money goes to alot of things we may or may not support.
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Lets take a step back. I am talking about stifling innovation and invention which is what all of these laws or non laws do. Do we need taxes, yes we do, do they need come from top 1-2% of our wage earners? No, its a shared responsibility. However, you cannot be fiscally conservative (close to balanced budget, low operational losses) and decry any and all tax increases. For the most part increases in taxes ruin innovation and invention and are bad for small businesses, however, when the expected revenue to maintain infrastructure is dwindling because of internet sales and other reasons its time to reassess why this shortfall exists. You cannot develop and produce quality goods in a place where limited infrastructure exists and maintenance of the current infrastructure is limited. DRM means all new technology regarding digital media will be governed by the Oligarchs of Sony and Apple, perhaps even MS and IBM are culpable in this, but mostly just entities which produce hardware, firmware, and software as a proprietary product model. Sony is not just an IT company they are a Motion Studio company. I hope you all are starting to see the problem. For 15 years people have been saying how bad MS is when Sony infringes on consumer’s rights on a daily basis in the name of Copyright, Patent, and Trademark protection. If you don’t believe in the power of Sony take for instance their inferior and less adaptable Blu-Ray technology pushing MS to drop the HD DVD format push, for once Microsoft pushes an industry standard only to be shutout. Biotechs may receive money hand over fist, but are limited in what they can apply that money towards. This needs to be left to scientists and researchers. Internet Poker is the most interesting topic, because we have slowly slid backwards economically since 2006.
Wisconman:
My belief in God is nothing for you to worry about. My relationship with our lord and savior Jesus Christ doesn’t need instruction from anyone. Governments are not religious and therefore should leave religious beliefs out of their laws, the execution of those laws, and the interpretation of those laws. You can find different reasons to be anti-abortion other than your preacher or your relationship with God told you so. As for embryonic stem cells and being against them is a lot harder with the many to one trade-offs in gains per unit cost potential.
Carl:
We need funding for infrastructure at the local government levels and in a hurry before the housing crisis makes this the next crisis as local funds became inherently tied to property values after the internet explosion. Funding is not a bad idea. Bay Area mice studies is a bad idea, stem cell research, cancer research, aids, other infectious diseases are great ideas at appropriate levels for repeatable results. As for Obama, he’s a dork. He’s so over his head he couldn’t fathom all that was wrong, but it’s not like McCain would have done better. It’s time to elect real leadership and intelligence (hold off the applause, I am not running yet).
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[quote author="Carl Valle" date="1238211926"]Federal Funding is my tax money and the biotechs get money hand over fist. Forget the christian right and let’s talk about taxes and obama. I am not saying stem cell research is good or bad as that’s one discussion that will go nowhere. Funding from our tax money?
Our tax money goes to alot of things we may or may not support.[/quote]
Bay Area Mice which will provide a nice house on the California coast to a couple intellectual nobodies.
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This blog entry was laughable and presents the bias of age probably the best of all. Pretty much all of the psychology research (coming from extremely educated and older individuals) shows that older people tend to be more stubborn, less capable of learning, less open to new ideas, more likely to hold onto completely illogical ideas, beliefs, and concepts, more likely to have contempt for change, and more. That is simply what happens as a part of human nature–people tend to have experiences and mold their beliefs simply around those, even if they are not correct, and they are not quickly or easily changed. The older people get, the less likely they are to change. There is also an inherent bias in many people that the past is better (for whatever reason). Literature shows people in the 70s talked about how the old days were better, and the same in the 20s, in the 19th century, in the 17th century, etc. There are even texts from ancient Greece (~1000BC IIRC) that showed people wishing times were like the generations of their grandparents, etc.
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Lets take a step back. I am talking about stifling innovation and invention which is what all of these laws or non laws do. Do we need taxes, yes we do, do they need come from top 1-2% of our wage earners? No, its a shared responsibility. However, you cannot be fiscally conservative (close to balanced budget, low operational losses) and decry any and all tax increases. For the most part increases in taxes ruin innovation and invention and are bad for small businesses, however, when the expected revenue to maintain infrastructure is dwindling because of internet sales and other reasons its time to reassess why this shortfall exists. You cannot develop and produce quality goods in a place where limited infrastructure exists and maintenance of the current infrastructure is limited. DRM means all new technology regarding digital media will be governed by the Oligarchs of Sony and Apple, perhaps even MS and IBM are culpable in this, but mostly just entities which produce hardware, firmware, and software as a proprietary product model. Sony is not just an IT company they are a Motion Studio company. I hope you all are starting to see the problem. For 15 years people have been saying how bad MS is when Sony infringes on consumer’s rights on a daily basis in the name of Copyright, Patent, and Trademark protection. If you don’t believe in the power of Sony take for instance their inferior and less adaptable Blu-Ray technology pushing MS to drop the HD DVD format push, for once Microsoft pushes an industry standard only to be shutout. Biotechs may receive money hand over fist, but are limited in what they can apply that money towards. This needs to be left to scientists and researchers. Internet Poker is the most interesting topic, because we have slowly slid backwards economically since 2006.
Wisconman:
My belief in God is nothing for you to worry about. My relationship with our lord and savior Jesus Christ doesn’t need instruction from anyone. Governments are not religious and therefore should leave religious beliefs out of their laws, the execution of those laws, and the interpretation of those laws. You can find different reasons to be anti-abortion other than your preacher or your relationship with God told you so. As for embryonic stem cells and being against them is a lot harder with the many to one trade-offs in gains per unit cost potential.
Carl:
We need funding for infrastructure at the local government levels and in a hurry before the housing crisis makes this the next crisis as local funds became inherently tied to property values after the internet explosion. Funding is not a bad idea. Bay Area mice studies is a bad idea, stem cell research, cancer research, aids, other infectious diseases are great ideas at appropriate levels for repeatable results. As for Obama, he’s a dork. He’s so over his head he couldn’t fathom all that was wrong, but it’s not like McCain would have done better. It’s time to elect real leadership and intelligence (hold off the applause, I am not running yet).
Sorry for trying to connect with another Christian who is interested in Track and Field.
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Except this isn’t about anyone talking about the past.
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[quote author="dbandre" date="1238218157"]Lets take a step back. I am talking about stifling innovation and invention which is what all of these laws or non laws do. Do we need taxes, yes we do, do they need come from top 1-2% of our wage earners? No, its a shared responsibility. However, you cannot be fiscally conservative (close to balanced budget, low operational losses) and decry any and all tax increases. For the most part increases in taxes ruin innovation and invention and are bad for small businesses, however, when the expected revenue to maintain infrastructure is dwindling because of internet sales and other reasons its time to reassess why this shortfall exists. You cannot develop and produce quality goods in a place where limited infrastructure exists and maintenance of the current infrastructure is limited. DRM means all new technology regarding digital media will be governed by the Oligarchs of Sony and Apple, perhaps even MS and IBM are culpable in this, but mostly just entities which produce hardware, firmware, and software as a proprietary product model. Sony is not just an IT company they are a Motion Studio company. I hope you all are starting to see the problem. For 15 years people have been saying how bad MS is when Sony infringes on consumer’s rights on a daily basis in the name of Copyright, Patent, and Trademark protection. If you don’t believe in the power of Sony take for instance their inferior and less adaptable Blu-Ray technology pushing MS to drop the HD DVD format push, for once Microsoft pushes an industry standard only to be shutout. Biotechs may receive money hand over fist, but are limited in what they can apply that money towards. This needs to be left to scientists and researchers. Internet Poker is the most interesting topic, because we have slowly slid backwards economically since 2006.
Wisconman:
My belief in God is nothing for you to worry about. My relationship with our lord and savior Jesus Christ doesn’t need instruction from anyone. Governments are not religious and therefore should leave religious beliefs out of their laws, the execution of those laws, and the interpretation of those laws. You can find different reasons to be anti-abortion other than your preacher or your relationship with God told you so. As for embryonic stem cells and being against them is a lot harder with the many to one trade-offs in gains per unit cost potential.
Carl:
We need funding for infrastructure at the local government levels and in a hurry before the housing crisis makes this the next crisis as local funds became inherently tied to property values after the internet explosion. Funding is not a bad idea. Bay Area mice studies is a bad idea, stem cell research, cancer research, aids, other infectious diseases are great ideas at appropriate levels for repeatable results. As for Obama, he’s a dork. He’s so over his head he couldn’t fathom all that was wrong, but it’s not like McCain would have done better. It’s time to elect real leadership and intelligence (hold off the applause, I am not running yet).
Sorry for trying to connect with another Christian who is interested in Track and Field.[/quote]
I understand, but I don’t think this is the thread to connect as I am full out Soren Kirkeegard mode right now with an attack upon the current throws of Christendom.
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Keymaster…..Pretty much all of the psychology research (coming from extremely educated and older individuals) shows that older people tend to be more stubborn, less capable of learning, less open to new ideas, more likely to hold onto completely illogical ideas, beliefs, and concepts, more likely to have contempt for change, and more. That is simply what happens as a part of human nature–people tend to have experiences and mold their beliefs simply around those, even if they are not correct, and they are not quickly or easily changed. The older people get, the less likely they are to change. There is also an inherent bias in many people that the past is better (for whatever reason). Literature shows people in the 70s talked about how the old days were better, and the same in the 20s, in the 19th century, in the 17th century, etc. There are even texts from ancient Greece (~1000BC IIRC) that showed people wishing times were like the generations of their grandparents, etc.
I can back all of this up as I’ve had an interest in this. People from the mid-west (non-coastal parts of U.S) are also (both stereotypically and generally supported by research) to be much like the older people Davan mentioned.
I’m glad to know that I’m not old yet.
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I wanted to add that the above post should not be interpreted as an insult but as research based interpretations and conclusions. I believe in Yin / Yang principles so there is good in opposites as they can balance each other. Overall, I live conservatively but have socio-political views that are generally (but not always) slightly left of center.
I’d like to think I could make educated devil’s advocate positions either side of any hot-button item.
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[quote author="davan" date="1238224722"]…..Pretty much all of the psychology research (coming from extremely educated and older individuals) shows that older people tend to be more stubborn, less capable of learning, less open to new ideas, more likely to hold onto completely illogical ideas, beliefs, and concepts, more likely to have contempt for change, and more. That is simply what happens as a part of human nature–people tend to have experiences and mold their beliefs simply around those, even if they are not correct, and they are not quickly or easily changed. The older people get, the less likely they are to change. There is also an inherent bias in many people that the past is better (for whatever reason). Literature shows people in the 70s talked about how the old days were better, and the same in the 20s, in the 19th century, in the 17th century, etc. There are even texts from ancient Greece (~1000BC IIRC) that showed people wishing times were like the generations of their grandparents, etc.
I can back all of this up as I’ve had an interest in this. People from the mid-west (non-coastal parts of U.S) are also (both stereotypically and generally supported by research) to be much like the older people Davan mentioned.
I’m glad to know that I’m not old yet.[/quote]
except what has Generation Y2K done lately? The much maligned Generation X of late 80’s and early 90s shot to life making largely unusable technologies of the Baby Boomers and The Greatest Generation for the mass public available and usable to the mass public . In large part, I think some of the blame should be geared towards DRM laws, but honestly that is only media technology at least most Gen Xers crossed more than one technological barrier and bridged it back for mass application, they did it with help from the Baby Boomers of course.
Some former colleagues of mine just keep on inventing. https://www.sortuv.com/ They are not old news, but there are no longer 18-25 year old CTO’s anymore at startups they are all over 25 years of age. I have tried in vain to teach to my Nephew how to mod his XboX or build his own computer or prevent the schools IT staff from seeing his desktop, but alas he’s satisfied with being NHS as if regurgitating prior thought and theory verbatim is worth a damn if you cannot explain it nor expand on it. I digress because Gen Y2K needs some time, but at about the same point in existence Gen X was being called a bunch of malcontents and hackers, while Gen Y2K is being called lazy.
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I wanted to add that the above post should not be interpreted as an insult but as research based interpretations and conclusions. I believe in Yin / Yang principles so there is good in opposites as they can balance each other. Overall, I live conservatively but have socio-political views that are generally (but not always) slightly left of center.
I’d like to think I could make educated devil’s advocate positions either side of any hot-button item.
You make a great DA there is no doubt about it. While I tend to make hot button items out of issues thought to be buried under glaciers, sometimes that is good, but sometimes it is a bad thing.
I guess I should not be complaining as “we” created this mess and it only means we have to keep on inventing to take up the current slack in Y2K creativity and ensure it doesn’t happen with our children’s generation. Thank God, a majority of the latter day Gen Xer’s didn’t reproduce until our near 30s.
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You can keep your sortuv.com…I’ll go with 24 year old BILLIONAIRE Facebook founder Mark Zuckerburg.
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That’s their 3rd or 4th venture, Mike. Facebook is fine, but I still think LinkedIn which is older btw is better at least for professionals, I realize they operate in different social spaces. Is Zuckerburg a colleague? Because in a round about way I worked with Max Levchin of PayPal fame and Jeff Hawkins of Palm Pilot fame through John Powers of Cofinity/Mypilot. My god if we are going the paper money route I’ll take Larry Page and Sergey Brin who are now in their 30s.
Heising did Click Commerce at 18, managed a Microsoft Global Division at 23, Call Butler at 25 or 26.
Francyzk has done Click Commerce, Giant and then Windows Defender, and Sortuv.
Newman joined the Click party a little late but was an architect on their 3rd version of the software, Giant, and now Sortuv.
They’ve kept reinventing, Zuckerburg has had facebook for almost 6 years and done little since except annoy people with UI changes. Facebook needs to find a better revenue model to succeed long term. It doesn’t get google like uniqueness in hits and at some point the apps will narrow and the users will hit stereotypical patterns. Twitter on the other hand is much more viable, but largely immature.
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Zuckerburg isn’t a colleague (I wish…I could use his pocket change as startup money) but I threw him out there as a 20 something who’s done something big. Huge in fact. While I begrudgingly use both LinkedIn and Facebook I can’t think of one thing LinkedIn platform can do that FB cannot. You know who’s doing the development at Google now? 19-35 year olds.
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Sorry Mike, but Google had to hire the Python Godfather Guido van Rossum who happens to be a Baby Boomer I believe.
If I faced a situation were I needed to hire someone to program, research, or hack for me or with me on a life or death project it would in all likelihood not be someone under the age of 27 and if they had a CS degree I would scrutinize the actually science part of computer science they learned. 10 years ago I would have just as likely picked an 18 year old as a 38 year old. I now base assessments on analytical skill and problem solving. Which gets to what you and Davan are talking about which is the tendency to narrow scope or in a heuristic sense get stuck in local optima. This is actually fine, proper, and tends to be the wisest course of action, but it also leads to less innovation over time which is the problem of the title of this thread, because the latest generation to have graduating classes hasn’t produced much but facebook. Has more technological innovation been done since 1990-1999 or from 2000-2009? It’s easy 1990’s showed the greatest technological achievements since the 1940’s. It took less time to go from CD’s to laserdiscs to DVDs than it did to go from DVD’s to HD DVD to Blu-Ray and Blu Ray isn’t a fixture yet like DVD’s were in 1999. The x86 computer architecture which is somewhat superior to ARM cannot replace ARM as a mobile architecture. For christsakes look at automobiles and energy technologies a space ripe Y2K’ers to invade and innovate and all they can do is sit on their ipods and cellphones texting each other while in the same room giggling. We might as well become mute and deaf as that is innovation route we are taking with communication.
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Sorry Mike, but Google had to hire the Python Godfather Guido van Rossum who happens to be a Baby Boomer I believe.
If I faced a situation were I needed to hire someone to program, research, or hack for me or with me on a life or death project it would in all likelihood not be someone under the age of 27 and if they had a CS degree I would scrutinize the actually science part of computer science they learned. 10 years ago I would have just as likely picked an 18 year old as a 38 year old. I now base assessments on analytical skill and problem solving. Which gets to what you and Davan are talking about which is the tendency to narrow scope or in a heuristic sense get stuck in local optima. This is actually fine, proper, and tends to be the wisest course of action, but it also leads to less innovation over time which is the problem of the title of this thread, because the latest generation to have graduating classes hasn’t produced much but facebook. Has more technological innovation been done since 1990-1999 or from 2000-2009? It’s easy 1990’s showed the greatest technological achievements since the 1940’s. It took less time to go from CD’s to laserdiscs to DVDs than it did to go from DVD’s to HD DVD to Blu-Ray and Blu Ray isn’t a fixture yet like DVD’s were in 1999. The x86 computer architecture which is somewhat superior to ARM cannot replace ARM as a mobile architecture. For christsakes look at automobiles and energy technologies a space ripe Y2K’ers to invade and innovate and all they can do is sit on their ipods and cellphones texting each other while in the same room giggling. We might as well become mute and deaf as that is innovation route we are taking with communication.
You sound like an old mid-westerer 😉
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[quote author="dbandre" date="1238241092"]Sorry Mike, but Google had to hire the Python Godfather Guido van Rossum who happens to be a Baby Boomer I believe.
If I faced a situation were I needed to hire someone to program, research, or hack for me or with me on a life or death project it would in all likelihood not be someone under the age of 27 and if they had a CS degree I would scrutinize the actually science part of computer science they learned. 10 years ago I would have just as likely picked an 18 year old as a 38 year old. I now base assessments on analytical skill and problem solving. Which gets to what you and Davan are talking about which is the tendency to narrow scope or in a heuristic sense get stuck in local optima. This is actually fine, proper, and tends to be the wisest course of action, but it also leads to less innovation over time which is the problem of the title of this thread, because the latest generation to have graduating classes hasn’t produced much but facebook. Has more technological innovation been done since 1990-1999 or from 2000-2009? It’s easy 1990’s showed the greatest technological achievements since the 1940’s. It took less time to go from CD’s to laserdiscs to DVDs than it did to go from DVD’s to HD DVD to Blu-Ray and Blu Ray isn’t a fixture yet like DVD’s were in 1999. The x86 computer architecture which is somewhat superior to ARM cannot replace ARM as a mobile architecture. For christsakes look at automobiles and energy technologies a space ripe Y2K’ers to invade and innovate and all they can do is sit on their ipods and cellphones texting each other while in the same room giggling. We might as well become mute and deaf as that is innovation route we are taking with communication.
You sound like an old mid-westerer ;)[/quote]
Right now I feel like one.
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[quote author="davan" date="1238224722"]…..Pretty much all of the psychology research (coming from extremely educated and older individuals) shows that older people tend to be more stubborn, less capable of learning, less open to new ideas, more likely to hold onto completely illogical ideas, beliefs, and concepts, more likely to have contempt for change, and more. That is simply what happens as a part of human nature–people tend to have experiences and mold their beliefs simply around those, even if they are not correct, and they are not quickly or easily changed. The older people get, the less likely they are to change. There is also an inherent bias in many people that the past is better (for whatever reason). Literature shows people in the 70s talked about how the old days were better, and the same in the 20s, in the 19th century, in the 17th century, etc. There are even texts from ancient Greece (~1000BC IIRC) that showed people wishing times were like the generations of their grandparents, etc.
I can back all of this up as I’ve had an interest in this. People from the mid-west (non-coastal parts of U.S) are also (both stereotypically and generally supported by research) to be much like the older people Davan mentioned.
I’m glad to know that I’m not old yet.[/quote]
Ha, that’s likely true and correlates well with the religiosity of areas (and the Midwest tends to have a relatively large proportion of Evangelicals, so….).
The thing is that this happens to everyone, to some extent, over time. Humans tend to frame their decisions and beliefs around previous experiences, right or wrong. Over time, this will generate a perspective that tends to be inflexible and often illogical. There is a bias towards experience in people’s minds, which causes a number of social problems. This is also related to the myth of wisdom, coming from the false idea that somehow living for a long time gives you some sort of intuition or better logic/reasoning abilities. Without a doubt, there are things that are aided by experience, but just as many or more are hurt, particularly if a person has a bad experience. That is one of the reasons for modern misogyny and racism, in fact.
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You wouldn’t use someone under 27? Because people under that age, you know, haven’t done the majority of development for tech projects? And of course, throughout the course of history, people 18-30 haven’t contributed massively to culture or technology? Do we need to list the inventions and contributions made by people in that age throughout the course of history?
Hell, they have said the same thing in finance, but the best producing hedge fund manager last year was 34 and he made over a billion (yes, billion) dollars. In that field, that is incredibly young.
People that tend to be older tend to have more money and of course more years to take on risk, so of course there will be more accomplishments from people a little older simply because they have already completed schooling and made it past entry levels of normal work or entrepreneurship. I don’t think that makes younger people lazy or older people special.
And to the idea of more technology generation between 2000-2009 versus 1990-1999…. absolutely. In fact, it is greater by magnitudes. Not to say that advancements were not great back–they were, but the rate of development has grown at a staggering pace. It’s funny you stop at 1999 as that simply signifies the end of the Dot-Com era, which is simply one specific area of technology development.
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The thing about young people sitting in a room texting and giggling… do you think the majority of the population has done more than that, ever, at any time? 20% of people do 80% of the work is the old expression thrown around. It probably tends to be much fewer people than that, most likely. There are lazy people in every generation. Seriously, go back an pick up a book of ancient Greek or Roman works and they always describe young people as lazy, not doing anything, etc. It is a common theme cross-culture.
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Davan:
Learn to read seriously, I stop at 1999 because that’s the last year Generation X was in high school. The Dot-Com era really didn’t end until around early 2003 anyways. At this time social networking started to take off as an offshoot of portals and dashboard conceptualizations from the dot com era. Really if we want to compare apples to apples then compare 1975-1985 to 2000-2009 as that’s the first 10 years of each generation and the differece in inventions and innovations during this time are astounding. During this time my generation was being bashed for being malcontents, hackers, etc… we are a generation of generalists and polymaths. Your generation for better or worse is not as innovative as mine, the baby boomers, and the greatest generation. Maybe’s its because there is so much focus on specialization and education instead of skills and applications.
I do know your beholden research holds true about how generations think of each other in a general sense, just like my observations about innovation and inventions are similar to a man of a different generation in Vern’s parable are done in the same general sense. I see your generation becoming the library or knowledge storage generation. You generation is the most overprotected, oversensitive, and over-educated generation which sometimes still doesn’t grasp the inherent potential that lay before you, because most of your generation lacks the communication skills to communicate ideas effectively, but can really communicate emotion quite well if not better than any other generation (think EMOs). Your generation is also the most highly drugged one during adolescent and childhood. You can regurgitate the thoughts of others verbatim, but struggle to formulate your own thoughts and conceptions and translate them to concrete implementations. In fact, this last part is really the cause of the ongoing need from the babyboomers needing cited proofs from the malcontents like me from GenX who don’t always believe prior evidence needs to be cited to arrive at our own conclusions from experiment and observation.
Also, I am not sure that in anyway that your generation has been criticized as much as GenX was. A complete shift in education, psychological intervention, and upbringing arose in the late 80s and early 90s that made much of your experiences completely different from those of mine and GenX, not to mention the end of the Cold War. Your generation should be tackling the energy problems with the full force of knowledge it has, but it refuses to take that route leaving much of the burden on those of us who are now mostly set in our ways. Step outside of the box, and quit quoting verbatim research of others and start reflecting on what you have observed and experienced and you will find that most of us older generations could have done more with better specialization and greater knowledge.
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If you want to get specific, generation x ends with people being born in 1974, who would have graduated high school much earlier than 1999, but that is another point.
The drivel you just posted hurt my brain. The fact that you are trying to define generations, before the oldest one is even into their 50s or that the majority of generation y gets through college, is truly insane and seems to be based on some sort of socially regressive values. You are trying to define Generation Y as lacking communication skills (where do you even come up with that?), overprotected (from what?), struggle to formulate conceptions (???), and a number of other pretty stupid labels. This is coming from a guy who believes in the equivalent of Santa Claus–I mean seriously, let’s step back for a second and realize how fruitless, pointless, and baseless it is to making sweeping generations about entire generations of people.
If you think I am simply regurgitating research, then you are free to feel that way, however wrong, irrational, and unfounded that belief is. I actually have a belief that is supported by empirical evidence (through ancient texts) and through studies versus something out of thing air that you have somehow developed based on your observations of young people texting, the subculture you define as “EMOs” (you believe they have some sort of great ability to communicate emotions?), and your incredibly myopic view of technological advancement.
I am literally dumbfounded by your post and don’t know much else to say that isn’t readily apparent by anybody who can read and reason.
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If you want to get specific, generation x ends with people being born in 1974, who would have graduated high school much earlier than 1999, but that is another point.
The drivel you just posted hurt my brain. The fact that you are trying to define generations, before the oldest one is even into their 50s or that the majority of generation y gets through college, is truly insane and seems to be based on some sort of socially regressive values. You are trying to define Generation Y as lacking communication skills (where do you even come up with that?), overprotected (from what?), struggle to formulate conceptions (???), and a number of other pretty stupid labels. This is coming from a guy who believes in the equivalent of Santa Claus–I mean seriously, let’s step back for a second and realize how fruitless, pointless, and baseless it is to making sweeping generations about entire generations of people.
If you think I am simply regurgitating research, then you are free to feel that way, however wrong, irrational, and unfounded that belief is. I actually have a belief that is supported by empirical evidence (through ancient texts) and through studies versus something out of thing air that you have somehow developed based on your observations of young people texting, the subculture you define as “EMOs” (you believe they have some sort of great ability to communicate emotions?), and your incredibly myopic view of technological advancement.
I am literally dumbfounded by your post and don’t know much else to say that isn’t readily apparent by anybody who can read and reason.
Is this is friggin garbage they teach at the Chicago? If it is, then it is a mighty disappoint and a harbinger. Generation X did not end with individuals who were born in 1974 although the original estimation was going to be that year, but changes in the mid 80s before you were born resulted in a shift to move that date as the rebellious youth movement lasted longer than expected probably born about with the advent of punk rock, mtv, heavy metal, and the first rap albums. Up until Generation X, each generation could be defined by changes in birth rates as changing birth rates usually reflect a change in societal values with Generation X birth rates changes didn’t reflect a change in societal values as much as technology changes did.
Myopic view of technological advancement? I am just using computer technology as an example, because its the one I am most familiar with and the one mostly responsible for how my generation defined itself. However you can look across a broad swath of technology at the advancements made in other sectors such as energy (fuels and efficiency), autos (motor design and changes in efficiency), fabrication (CAD, CNC, metallurgy, etc), building materials, biosciences, physics, etc… it’s not even worth comparing innovations and inventions during the last decade to any other timespan, because almost all the relevant contributions occurred up until about 2004 and then it slowed as more and more of your generation hit the workforce and its slowly creeping to a giant halt. For the most part you be pleased with this assessment because none of it is your generations fault.
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You are trying to put a year on Generation X (1999 high school graduation), which isn’t in line with what the given numbers have put on it and is only convenient for you to argue about since it coincides with a rally and boom in the stock market. Rebellion? Come on now.
Your misunderstanding and lack of knowledge about technological advancement is staggering. I don’t think any generation has a hold on who had greater innovation or development (and it would be stupid to even have a position on that), but it is a fact that the rate of technology has steadily increased well through 2005 (in fact, through the past number of decades and it continues to). That isn’t because of any generation in particular doing anything special. You tried to insinuate that a reason for the economic downturn is Generation Y entering the workforce…. one of the most insane things I have seen posted on the internet from a person who is otherwise rational.
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