My coach told me that he will be having me do a lot of running which was never somthing to get me to excited when i heard but, i was wandering if running for long periods of time or anything over 400 meters would be bad for jumping? I will still be doing jump training after i run but i still think that all the running will make me jump lower? any advice?
Running long distances prior to jumping
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ParticipantWell it won’t help your jumping that’s for sure…
Why is he having you do it? What are you training for exactly?
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is it going to hurt me though? I do all the jumps but my specialties the highjump.
he believes that its going to help me in the long run when im doing 3 different jump events and the 400. So i guess training for the 400? It is extremley annoying.
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to clarify, doing those 4 events in one meet.
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Well yeah it will hurt your jumping…There is no way it can help your jumping. Your legs will not be as fresh or explosive come jump time if you’ve already fatigued them with long running.
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Overall though will it reduce the eccentric properties in my legs? or screw up my vertical in the overall jump the next day when i dont run?
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The acute response won’t be bad. I often feel great the day after a 10 min jog for example. But long term, long distance will hurt jumping performance. It’s just the opposite of how you want to train to be explosive.
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I have been trying to get that through this coaches head but it seems that hes not getting it…. unless i did the distance as a micro-cycle? then did the explosive/jump training after it? would that work?
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after it being the next micro cycle
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Well, do which ever makes the “distance” training the least thing you do…and hopefully if you have to do a micro of it, make it the first one and then dont do it again…
otherwise, doing it 2-3 days a week or more for the season will hurt you for sure…
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well i knew it would and i litterally get ticked when i see that i have to do distance as a jumper/sprinter… i should be doing plyometrics/lifting/bandwork/and core. NOT RUNNING. Do you know of an article I may be able to show him? To show him hes training me wrong?
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Um, take a look on here, i’m sure there are some articles…
but it’s common sense really…
A high jumper needs are pretty much as follows,
Plyometrics
Bounding
Hopping
Short sprinting
explosive weight training
heavy weight training
High jumping
Core, stability work etc
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yeah i think i dont lift as much as i should but i do all of that… i lift once a week. I only hang clean however soooo should i switch it up or does that not matter? i really dont feel safe lifting the bar over my head for the snatch. and for heavy lifting i normally do 1 legged press because my backs not to stellar. should i do more sqauting instead of a leg press?
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Yeah more squating and jump squatting is very helpful!
If i were you, i’d look at as many traning articles as you can, maybe find a nice training book and learn from them…then your high jumping will improve greatly im sure.
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Two days of jogging no more than 10-15 mins won’t be too bad. Like Nick said it is good on a recovery day. I wouldn’t do the long running and plyos/explosive stuff on the same day, it contradicts one another.
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well like is said i do lifting on monday with a variety of exercises. (jumpsqauts, stepups, lunges, leg press with one leg, hang cleans) then tuesday and wednesday are pretty easy days involving some approach stuff working on my Penultimate step and such. then thursday is plyos and band work. and then another easy day then one sat i do plyos and core work
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I hope you don’t do all those lift on the one day? That’s too much…
Better to spread them out over 2 or 3 lifting sessions per week…preferably on the same days as you sprint or do plyos etc…
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if i did do them in the same day then what would be better? plyos then lifting or complex training?
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both…
complex is good maybe one day…the others plyos first.
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Nick,
So are you saying that if you are a 400m runner (doing 400m type training), it’ll be difficult to be a good jumper?
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Nick,
So are you saying that if you are a 400m runner (doing 400m type training), it’ll be difficult to be a good jumper?
I will let Nick answer – but will comment as well. I don’t know that this is the case – it just makes the job more difficult – as you are managing competing demands.
I hate to always use Deca guys – but they’re a good example of this. Their running training tends to be fairly 400m oriented, yet jumping and lifting training probably most closerly resembles LJ or PVers – The top guys (Clay, Sebrele, Pappas, Hardee) are doing 25-26′ LJ; 7′ HJ – at a heavy bodyweight (215 when Pappas went over 7.96, 2.17, and 5.20) while running very fast 400s and fairly high running volume training.
I think the bigger problem is that the coach has him doing tempo prior to practicing jumps, which will make the jumping practices terrible. I can see doing it once or twice, so an athlete knows how it feels to have to jump after a 400m – but as a rule – it will just devastate effectiveness of jump training.
If you need to do multiple training modes in a single session/day – always progress from higher quality stuff to lower quality.
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yeah i have decided to do 5 weeks of the 400 training and the rest WILL be all of my power training… maybe run a little on the low insensity days… itll probably be a lot of 200s and such however on those days
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[quote author="Jay Turner" date="1260227251"]Nick,
So are you saying that if you are a 400m runner (doing 400m type training), it’ll be difficult to be a good jumper?
I will let Nick answer – but will comment as well. I don’t know that this is the case – it just makes the job more difficult – as you are managing competing demands.
I hate to always use Deca guys – but they’re a good example of this. Their running training tends to be fairly 400m oriented, yet jumping and lifting training probably most closerly resembles LJ or PVers – The top guys (Clay, Sebrele, Pappas, Hardee) are doing 25-26′ LJ; 7′ HJ – at a heavy bodyweight (215 when Pappas went over 7.96, 2.17, and 5.20) while running very fast 400s and fairly high running volume training.
I think the bigger problem is that the coach has him doing tempo prior to practicing jumps, which will make the jumping practices terrible. I can see doing it once or twice, so an athlete knows how it feels to have to jump after a 400m – but as a rule – it will just devastate effectiveness of jump training.
If you need to do multiple training modes in a single session/day – always progress from higher quality stuff to lower quality.[/quote]
So going by what you’re saying, would I be fine if I did all jumps plyos and/or jump training before the 400 runners’ session? Obviously the runner would have a quality jumps session, but would the running workout suffer this way?
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Yes Matt is correct. It just makes things harder…i mean Trey is super talented lets not forget that. There was a kid here at my school who trained ONLY for the 400m and ran 47.xx, he long jumped in a competition for points and jumped over 24 feet…but, obviously he’d be a better ljer if he focused more on it…
I am also friends with a guy who lj over 7.80m and said he did do lots of longer sprints 200-500m sprints 2/3 times per week…since changing his training to “LJ specific” he hasn’t jumped as far…he’s swares the long running sprints made him stronger and made jumping easier…
So to each his own…but on average it is hard to do both well…by well i of course mean elite…what are you goals? can someone run 47 and jump 24? sure…can something run 45 and jump 8m? i think it’s only been done once…
For training purposes though if you have to do it…technique days off fresh legs after rest day and then 400m workout before rest or recovery day preferably.
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[quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1260239151"][quote author="Jay Turner" date="1260227251"]Nick,
So are you saying that if you are a 400m runner (doing 400m type training), it’ll be difficult to be a good jumper?
I will let Nick answer – but will comment as well. I don’t know that this is the case – it just makes the job more difficult – as you are managing competing demands.
I hate to always use Deca guys – but they’re a good example of this. Their running training tends to be fairly 400m oriented, yet jumping and lifting training probably most closerly resembles LJ or PVers – The top guys (Clay, Sebrele, Pappas, Hardee) are doing 25-26′ LJ; 7′ HJ – at a heavy bodyweight (215 when Pappas went over 7.96, 2.17, and 5.20) while running very fast 400s and fairly high running volume training.
I think the bigger problem is that the coach has him doing tempo prior to practicing jumps, which will make the jumping practices terrible. I can see doing it once or twice, so an athlete knows how it feels to have to jump after a 400m – but as a rule – it will just devastate effectiveness of jump training.
If you need to do multiple training modes in a single session/day – always progress from higher quality stuff to lower quality.[/quote]
So going by what you’re saying, would I be fine if I did all jumps plyos and/or jump training before the 400 runners’ session? Obviously the runner would have a quality jumps session, but would the running workout suffer this way?[/quote]
If you’re going to compromise, that is the way to do it. Tempo work will not suffer much from this kind of modality. Accel/MaxV work will suffer and you need to watch volume – but could be done.
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Typically 400m training and jumps training are not synonmous to achieving maximum potential in the jumps. although many athletes can have success if the do the explosive work before the tempo, speed endurance or special I/II. With my multi’s, we will have a speed endurance/tempo session every so often after a jumps session in season to keep the stimulus and produce some lactate. Both of my athletes came from heavy volume backgrounds, so dropping it off completely for a while tends to have a negative effect.
A lot can be learned from multi-eventers as far as training. A wise man once told me (well more than once) to “train everyone like a multi.” The challenge of many biomotor abilities makes for a better overall athlete.
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Typically 400m training and jumps training are not synonmous to achieving maximum potential in the jumps. although many athletes can have success if the do the explosive work before the tempo, speed endurance or special I/II. With my multi’s, we will have a speed endurance/tempo session every so often after a jumps session in season to keep the stimulus and produce some lactate. Both of my athletes came from heavy volume backgrounds, so dropping it off completely for a while tends to have a negative effect.
A lot can be learned from multi-eventers as far as training. A wise man once told me (well more than once) to “train everyone like a multi.” The challenge of many biomotor abilities makes for a better overall athlete.
Especially early on – this is very sage advice.
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alright. So if my coach goes back on his word and says i have to still run then i will be sure to do my explosive work before my speed endurance work. of course ill be there longer than the rest of the team but hey if thats what i have to do to be the best SO BE IT!
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