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Balco And The Scandal – How does everybody feel about what you know/knew about it, have seen, feel or saw on 20/20 and this years other happenings related to this topic??
Do you think Victor Conte is lieing??
Are all of the best sprinters really dirty??
What do you think needs to be done in reaction to this disease?
?How do You feel?
OPINIONS Please, or facts – if you have them.
I believe Conte.
I believe Conte as well.
Time for Marion to give back the medals.
I can assure you that EVERYONE in elite track and field is not on drugs. I don’t know exact percentages but there are more than a handful of athletes who compete at the highest level without ever doping. I’m fully aware that drugs are a big part of our sport but it bugs me when people start thinking that there aren’t people out there who can do it clean…..because I know for a fact that there are.
We really have to look hard at the messengers of the “everyone is doing it” message. In the two most prominent messengers I can think of, they have both been caught red handed. This is something we can’t overlook as they attempt to justify their reasoning for using. In both cases they both have a history of cheating and lying as do the athlete’s they’ve worked with. Are we then to believe or sympathize with the message of these people who say that they HAD to do it because everyone else was doing it.
In my opinion, the most damning evidence against the “everyone is doing it” message is that the most notable supporters of this message were athletes or people dealing with athlete’s who were:
Well if EVERYONE is doing it, why is it that the biggest supporters of this viewpoint were the ones caught. By flipping this viewpoint it is more logical in my opinion to say that:
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Brian Clay Responds to Victor Conte
by: Brian Clay
December 4, 2004
**Originally posted on letsrun.com
In response to Victor Conte’s statements made on the 20/20 segment I would like to express how disgusted I am. I am not disputing the supposed facts that Mr. Conte released about administering drugs to Marion Jones and others. I am not qualified to say weather or not they are true, as I have no personal involvement with any of the parties mentioned. What I am very disgusted about is Mr. Conte’s opinion on the state of drug use in the sport of track and field. Conte claims that all the athletes in track and field are dirty. This is simply not true. I am not naïve. I am aware that there are cheats in our sport, but to make the statement that “the Olympics are a Fraud” is absolutely absurd. In my entire career in track and field, I have never taken drugs. I have never considered taking drugs, and I have never been propositioned to go on drugs. I have never even had the first idea as to how I would access performance-enhancing drugs.
The majority of athletes in our sport are of the same frame of mind as myself. Clean and ethical athletes are the massive majority in track and field. These are the athletes that strive for a clean sport, and disassociate themselves with anyone that is remotely connected to drug scandals or drug suspicions. Mr. Conte unfortunately has a very skewed perspective on the state of drug use in the sport, and doesn’t see that most track and field athletes do not suffer from the same lack of integrity that he does.
Conte then goes on to say that the athletes he gave drugs to were not cheating because they were just “leveling the playing field”, and that they “had no choice”. I have never heard a more ridiculous statement. Of course these athletes are cheating, and absolutely these athletes have a choice. I choose hard work, and proper training as the only way to achieve success and so does almost every athlete across the globe.
Bryan Clay
Olympic Silver Medalist-Decathlon
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Balco And The Scandal – How does everybody feel about what you know/knew about it, have seen, feel or saw on 20/20 and this years other happenings related to this topic??
Do you think Victor Conte is lieing??
I don’t think Victor is lying about Marion Jones, but I would go over everything he says with a fine toothed comb. There is no honor among thieves.
Are all of the best sprinters really dirty??
I think there is a high percentage of elite track and field athletes in all event areas juicing. I don’t think it’s everyone, but more than we’d like to think.
What do you think needs to be done in reaction to this disease?
We need to quit messing around with urine testing and start blood testing year round. When someone sets a world record, then they should be blood and urine tested by an independent lab.
How do You feel?
I think we are only at the tip of the iceberg as far as people being nailed. It’s a big mess which USATF looks ill prepared to handle.
[i]Originally posted by mike[/i]
I can assure you that EVERYONE in elite track and field is not on drugs. I don’t know exact percentages but there are more than a handful of athletes who compete at the highest level without ever doping. I’m fully aware that drugs are a big part of our sport but it bugs me when people start thinking that there aren’t people out there who can do it clean…..because I know for a fact that there are. [/list]
I have to agree with Mike. I think that this is an important point to make.
One of the reasons why I began to really investigate what people like Dan, Boo, Gary Winckler, and Tony Wells were saying, doing, writing several years ago was because I wanted to get an idea of what you could accomplish without illegal aids. The talks over the years have been very enlightening and inspirational.
I’ve personally coached a guy to 10.23/20.77 as a freshman that I know could have run 10.05/sub 20.15 by his junior year. He was talented but he wasn’t the most talented person out there. I’ve also worked with a female that ran 22.6 in practice (in a 250m) that has psychological issues that prevented her from that type of performance in a meet (should have been about 22.45-22.65). At that time I had a freshman that was more talented than her that i think could have eventually run faster.
I say to say that i don’t get anywhere near the same level of talent as some of the “big timers” and have been fortunate enough to see these types of things happen. So when you get a genetic monster or motor genius the sky can be the limit if you are thorough and patient.
I’ve asked Dan, Boo, and Gary about this and they all felt that excellent training design along with good nutrition and good therapy could lead to very similar performances as those who are enhanced — it usually just takes a little longer and you see valleys and peaks in the seasonal performances.
my .02
KT, Mike, JJ, Others
Where can some us “not in the know” get info regarding Dan, Boo, Gary Winkler, and Tony Wells.
I have seen some info dicating some of Dan’s methods and templates like:
Day1 Acc Dev, weights
Day2 Tech and GS
Day3 MaxV, weights
Day4 Resoration and GS
Day5 Acc Dev same as Day1 except at 20-30% volume, weights
Day6 Spe End and GS
Can any of you confirm this is what Dan does. I have been trying to find out if this is actually what he does for sure. I would like to start a thread on Dan and maybe others methods if people were interested like myself, as I know there are some here who can offer lots of insight.
I haven’t seen much on these others. Maybe something about Boo from Mike.
Thanks
In an overly simplified template, that is what Dan does…..most of the time. You’ve given me some good ideas. I think I will add a “Great coaches forum” soon. I need to work some things out but I think it will make a nice addition to the messageboard. I’m thinking that we could start with a forum similar to the “Classics” section and have a thread for each coach. For example, “Coaching philosophies of Dan Pfaff,” “Coaching philosophies of Gary Winkler”, etc.
For the time being though, let’s keep this thread on topic (Balco scandal).
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And adding a forum about the elite atheletes like Mo,Ato and others,and how they train, their diet …etc .That will be a good idea too.:yes:
I have contempt in my heart for those who cheated. Those who are suspected, who are accused by people who have nothing to gain. People like Barry Bonds, the Leprocauhn Tim Montgomery and his sidekick Marion Jones. People who disgrace great men and women, who worked hard in life and did something with their gifts like Maurice Greene, Willie Mays and Babe Ruth.
I dispise these people because they come to destroy what I have come to love.
It’s like that feeling you get when (if you like to write) if you write something, something like poetry – being original and geniuine of though and loving it because it’s You, watching while some second-rate teacher who only WISHES that they had the Talent and Ability that you do, mark it up and disgard it with another “C”.
I feel Pissed.
hahaha yknow big10, even though you get on my nerves sometimes your posts definately reek of talent.
btw, that mo pic is badass
[i]Originally posted by cockysprinter[/i]
hahaha yknow big10, even though you get on my nerves sometimes your posts definately reek of talent.
LMAO:wink:
BigTenChamp, loved by some:wink: , hated by most,
But respected by all.:yes:
and ya that avatar is fresh really
well if someones got talent, you gotta recognize it. and big10 definately writes well. his training advice on the other hand…:D
haha, yeah I feel ya cockyspriter. You make good points too and you don’t back down from what you believe.
by the way, check out my EliteTrackTeam post.
i checked it out and responded. if we could get it to work it would definately be cool. theres a few sub 11 guys on the board so it would be cool to see it work.
