Do you ever wonder why we keep teaching and following certain things, never questioning them? This tyranny of dead ideas stifles innovation and holds us back in training and performance. It seems generation after generation fall prey to this and keep repeating the mistakes of the previous generation. Imitation is not innovation. We have to be willing to let go off of cherished beliefs that do not
The Tyranny of Dead Ideas
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I have to agree with you on the majority of these Vern.
The 400m relay down sweep pass stands out for me. I remember when I first started my coaching career 10 years ago as the sprinters coach, the head coach that hired me insisted I use this method. Granted, I was new to coaching, but I had been around alot of great coaches as a competitor. I’d asked him could we please not use this method, but again he insisted. I can’t tell you how many seconds and/or tenths of seconds were left on the table by doing this.
Another is using heart rate zones. Now, I don’t know alot about distance running (although I have set out to become much more educated at the discipline) but I’ve never saw the point in using this method. I would think you could simply pay attention to your runner more closely in their physical characteristics, as well as through testing.
Having said all this, I do disagree on general preparation, however. If you’re planning on sustaining a “peak”, wouldn’t the prep phase need to be longer? Or maybe the question I should propose is, what do you consider “a long period of general preparation”?
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I would definitely agree with most of these points Vern. In addition to Jay I was also wondering about the statement in regards to GPP and training to failure. Do you think you could elaborate more upon the dead idea of “with a long period of general preparation to build a base.” I thought a good healthy block of GPP is actually a wise investment for most beginner and intermediate athletes. Some advanced athletes requiring less than the previously mentioned. Would this be a correct assertion of an opinion of training methodology? I would love to see a blog on this topic.
In regards to training to failure,were you referring to performance for the athletes you train and in track? “Training to failure” can be interpreted in many different ways such as technical failure, true failure, and so on. Wouldn’t some of these strategies be useful in particular situations both in sports training or performance in other endeavors such as powerlifting and bodybuilding? I know the latter mentioned probably shouldn’t be brought up since this is Elitetrack and not a powerlifting and bodybuilding focused site, but I would still love to hear your thoughts. Thanks for the great blogs!
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Vern,
With all due respect. Some of those activities you mentioned depend on energy system and phase. I also feel that we limit to many our athletes with high intensity training all year long and dont have the big picture in mind down the road in terms of work capacity. I also believe generalizations are dangerous when we could be talking about kiddos that are barely teenagers. Transfer of Training talks about different carry over per ability and that should be in the back of our minds when we think about periodization traditional or other wise. I think that boat is often missed in terms of different models for different event groups. Example Yuri model works well with shot, jav, hammer, discus, and high jump but not for distance runner. As Matevev (spelling) model works for distance runners when considering data that suggests a 27 week build to be peak for endurance runners."Nature hides her secret because of her essential loftiness, but not by means of ruse." -Albert Einstein
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Transfer of Training talks about different carry over per ability and that should be in the back of our minds when we think about periodization traditional or other wise.
I think I understand what you’re saying, but not sure. Could you give an example of this?
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Yes at lowe level talent squats work for a 100 meter sprinter but for an elite bounding is better..
"Nature hides her secret because of her essential loftiness, but not by means of ruse." -Albert Einstein
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I am not sure rune bix the point you are making I was referencing two of the activities mentioned in bunderchuck book transfer or training and how more general things for lower level talent does lead to improvement where as an elite kid must do other things to get better if you look at the data and what transfers the most to improved performance
"Nature hides her secret because of her essential loftiness, but not by means of ruse." -Albert Einstein
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Ryan
In my to earlier posts i am putting up dead ideers that are still tyranisering track and field.
As Vern has postede in an earlier blog, Generel Cirquit training is used and abused. Generel Preparation purpose should be to prepare for training. Training to train, and here we agree. Novice should train to train or to be more specifik, train to handel more specifik work which improve performance.
Increasing Thoracis mobility, does not improve performance but it prepares you to handel overhead work, such as snatches. Snatches is specifik work that improves power and as higher degree of transfer to the sprint start than increasing thoracis mobility.
Distance runners need high degrees of intensitet aswell as volume. All year. They need high degrees of intensity to keep moving well (power and reactiv work, bounding and strenght training) and volume to build aerobic endurance. At high lvl when the VO2max is stakkering, they can move away from high intensity interval of moderat volumes (to low volumes and higher degress of moderat intensity) in the generel prepraration periode. But everyone who is not stakkering in vo2max should keep doing at least 1-2 interval session of high intensitet (Interval tempo, 90-100% of HR, jack daniels). Well thats my opionen, that confirmes your earlier point that periodization should be level and event specifik.
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Got ya!
"Nature hides her secret because of her essential loftiness, but not by means of ruse." -Albert Einstein
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