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    TRIPLE PERIODIZATION FOR A COLLEGE SPRINTER!

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        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 18, 2003 at 10:46 am #8300

          TRIPLE PERIODIZATION FOR A COLLEGE SPRINTER!

          OK .i am designing a program and i am havin a big problem. if i want to design a 3 peak plan tell me if this is the way to go..

          SEPT-OCT – general prep phase (8 weeks)
          3-1-3-1 cycle.

          NOV.- precomp (4 weeks) 3-1 cycle

          DEC.-MARCH – indoor competition phase (14 MEETS) MARCH 28TH NCAA’S

          APRIL-MAY-Outdoor season NCAA’S MAY 28TH
          THIS is where i am having the most trouble our first outdoor meet is the begining of april so what do i do? continue what i was doing for 8 meets in the spring? then how about in the summer? what do i do in june if i want another series of 5 meets in july? how do i go about doing this? and in august should i totally rest before starting training again in sept? is this too long and will my body break down?
          I have been going thru books lookin for answers but i am stumped can someone please help me out..

          also one more question.. during an unloading week is it still ok to compete? i know since i am a collegiate athlete i have to compete im just wondering for the future if during an onloading week its wise not to compete..or xan the competition used as a special endurance day since the volume isnt high and also a way to rebound the CNS?

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          QUIKAZHELL on March 18, 2003 at 10:55 am #19271

          SORRY. I ddint mean 3 peaks necesaairily i meant triple periodization.. there is no real need to peak 3 times.

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 18, 2003 at 9:44 pm #19272

          Your set up for fall looks fine, but like you said, after this point, things get complicated. Before I say anything more are you D1, D2, or D3? The reason I ask is because the new regional format for D1 would totally change the periodization advice I’d offer. D1 athletes who are even remotely close to making nationals will no longer have to chase marks because the regional qualifiers are relatively low. As such, these athletes (the ones who would have no problem qualifying for regionals) can pretty much train right through the outdoor season because they don’t have to run fast (speaking in terms of their fastest) until the regional meet. Athletes on the fringe of regional qualifying or D3 and D3 athletes don’t have this luxury.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 18, 2003 at 9:53 pm #19273

          You can definitely compete on unloading weeks; and it’s not like you have much of a choice in the collegiate system. In any case though, competing on unloading weeks isn’t a big deal because the volume is so low like you mentioned. In fact, it’s my experience that some of the best performances come in these unloading weeks. As such, they are perfect weeks to perform field tests on as well as low key competitions.

          One thing you might want to consider though is if you’ve only been training 5 days a week all year (Mon-Fri), competing on the weekend (regardless of how low the volume on meet day) would still be turning a 5 day cycle into a 6 day cycle…..that’s not exactly what I’d call unloading 🙂

          The ideal situation is that you’re already training 6 days a week and then it wouldn’t be a big deal. If however, you’re only training 5 days a week and a meet falls on a day that would typically be off on a week that is also an unloading week you might want to drop a training day during the week (wednesday would probably be the best day).

          ELITETRACK Founder

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          QUIKAZHELL on March 18, 2003 at 11:26 pm #19274

          thanx for the advice you have given so far ,, you reinforced some things that i said and gave extra info on things i was not sure about..
          now as for the planning right after indoor NCAA’S into spring and possibly into summer. please give me some insight.. and if i did not run summer when would i start training for the next indoor season? i am a D3 athlete with official PB’S of 10.99FAT 22.04FAT 22-0 LJ 6.63FAT 55.

          Basically after i have my format down i plan to put it on Excell and i will be willing to share it on these message boards. but i will need all the help i can get.

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 19, 2003 at 11:03 pm #19275

          In light of your info, I’d do a two cycle of general prep mesocycle just to get back to basics. This would be the time to really go back to learning the fundamental skills in sprinting and long jumping like acceleration, sprint, and takeoff mechanics. In addition to giving your body some much needed rest from the competitive season this would also help to increase fitness levels and work capacities (which will be lower due to the lower volume of work done during indoor competitive season) and strengthen any of the weak links that may have gotten weak from the really event-specific training of the competitive season.

          After this 2 week mesocycle you could do 2 weeks of precomp training. You wouldn’t really need an unloading week. You’d most likely be competing during this time period but that wouldn’t be a big deal- meets would just be special endurance / Vmax / technical days . Follow that with an unloading week and then get into a comp mesocycle.

          Don’t feel like you have to stick to the 3/1: loading: unloading format in the comp phase. I think it’s probably better to let the way you feel, the dates of the meets and relative importance of the meets, as well as your performances in those meets dictate your training cycles.

          ELITETRACK Founder

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          QUIKAZHELL on March 20, 2003 at 12:15 am #19276

          ok.. i hear what your saying..
          now as for the summer… what would i do after outdoor ncaa’s if i wanted to compete in the month of july.. and if i did compete in july when would i start my program for next indoor season? would i take the months of august and sept totally off? and what if i ended my season after outdoor nationals… when and what should i do to prepare for next indoor season?

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 21, 2003 at 10:52 am #19277

          I’d take a week off after the outdoor NCAAs and come back to training refreshed. After this week of rest, you could do one 4 week precomp mesocycle for the month of June; and one 4 week comp mesocycle for the month of July. In this time period you could probably go back to a 3:1 loading/unloading setup for the month of June and then rest as needed in July. This period of time should actually be easier because you don’t have to conform to a collegiate schedule and you can pick and choose when and where you want to compete which makes planning training much easier.

          As for post-summer season training, I’d recommend taking a week or two off and then getting back to some general fitness stuff for the month of August and then start back up training full-go in September.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 21, 2003 at 11:13 am #19278

          thanx alot. you answered all my questions. so basically i would never want to take more than 4 weeks of of speed trainign in any year ecause in doing that i would have to have a long intensive general prep phase which in turn detrains all the speed elements i have worked so hard for the previous season?

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 21, 2003 at 1:31 pm #19279

          I’m not sure if I understand what you wrote correctly or not, but if you are saying what I’m thinking, I think we have a slight misunderstanding.

          By the sounds of your last post you are approaching each phase of training as having completely different focuses. In reality the year should be seen more like a continuum where subtle, gradually occuring changes take place from the beginning to the end of each macrocycle.

          In short, I think you should be training speed to some extent all year long except for the complete rest weeks and maybe a month of unstructured general fitness work. In the fall, speed training would come in the form of 10m-40m sprints. This would progress to flying sprints, sprint-float-sprints and longer sprints (90m-110m) as the season progresses. All of these examples are high intensity and high NM demand, but in the fall the relative velocities are lower just due to the fact that you won’t have time / distance to reach MaxV. As the season progresses, you should continue to increase the distances to where you are sprinting at MaxV. At this point, you want to maximize your MaxV. When you reach a point where you feel you’ve maxed out MaxV, the emphasis shifts to increasing the duration that you can maintain MaxV.

          As a sprinter / jumper, speed should be the primary focus of your training. The only thing that will change is the extent of this focus on speed and the specifics of the training.

          If this is still unclear read this: https://elitetrack.com/sprinttheories.pdf

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 21, 2003 at 8:27 pm #19280

          yes i understand what ur saying, you may have thoghut we had a slight misumderstanding because i made a typo in the ablove post. what i mean to say is that i would never want to take 4 weeks “off “of speed training in any year.

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 24, 2003 at 12:10 pm #19281

          Ha. That’s funny that leaving off that one ‘f’ would make so much of a difference in the meaning of the sentence. I don’t know why I didn’t pick up on it….maybe I should slow down and read a little better :D.

          Yeah, you’re right about the 4 weeks though. You should be pretty much be doing some form of speed work all year long.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 24, 2003 at 10:40 pm #19282

          THANX MIKE… i made my whole plan on a spreadsheet on microsoft works however there is parts i am not sure how to fill in and was wondering if u can take a look and comment on it overall.. how can i post it?

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 25, 2003 at 2:00 am #19283

          ok .. here is my triple periodization plan… the main part i am unsure of is my ranking of training elements week by week. i would like as much feedback and comments i can so i can make this plan the best it can be..

          CHECK MY NEXT POST I ADDED AND CHANGED A FEW THINGS.

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 25, 2003 at 8:28 am #19284

          I MADE A FEW CHANGES.

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 26, 2003 at 11:05 pm #19285

          anyone:D

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 27, 2003 at 4:58 am #19286

          Here are my thoughts:
          -Tempo volume should start higher. I think if the intensity is super low as is the case during the first meso, then the volume can be quite high without worrying about overtraining. Instead of having it follow a medium–> high –> low volume scheme, I’d recommend a high–> medium –> low scheme. I’d make an even stronger recommendation for this during the second mesocycle following the indoor season. At this point, the body will have enough training under the belt that you don’t have to go back to scratch and the volume can be really high as long as the intensity is really low. This recommendation is a personal preference and I’m fully aware of the argument that you should build both volume and intensity during the very begining of a macro but I don’t think it’s necessary if you keep the intensity low and the volume high.

          -I would do some form of field testing on the 4th, 8th, and 12th week and then again sometime after indoor season (maybe week 34?).

          -In general, I think the emphasis on flexibility is a little too much but I guess that kind of depends on what you plan on doing for flexibility work.

          -You will really have to watch yourself on weeks 13-15 because you’ve pretty much maxed out every training parameter. I see you’ve got the rest emphasis on week 14 but you’ll still have to watch it.

          -A general point which will help in many regards, keep in mind that to get to a point in a run where you’re working on speed endurance, you’ve got to pass through or come very close to max velocity; likewise, to get to max velocity you’ll probably have to go through some form of acceleration phase. As such, I think it’s best to really focus on acceleration first, then maximum velocity, and then speed endurance during the macrocycle. I think trying to focus on them all at the same time is asking for trouble.

          -Keeping the previous point in mind, I personally don’t think you should be maxing out acceleration development, max velocity, and speed endurance all at the same time (which is the case in weeks 13-15). When you start working on speed endurance I think you should take the emphasis off of max velocity work. As soon as you start the speed endurance training I think you’ve pretty much decided (whether you know it or not) that you’re not going to get your max velocity any higher….you’re just going to train yourself to maintain it longer.

          -I think the emphasis on acceleration development can be even higher at the beginning of the year. Even though this is really high intensity work, the velocities are lower, and thus the neuromuscular demand is lower and the body can recover from it much better. Also, fall is a great time to work on acceleration mechanics.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 27, 2003 at 10:07 am #19287

          thanks alot for the comprehensive reply.. i see you really took alot of time to take a close look at my program and i really appreciate it…

          ok…
          1-you stated my tempo volume can be higher at the begining… i agreee instead of going from medium high low its better to go to high medium low..
          but honestly i couldnt put this in my chart!!! i was not able to put 2 dots in the same box.. lol. is there a way i can do this or a way i can add a graph instead of what i did..i am new to excel.. i basically taught myself last week, and it took me over 8 hours. if u can open it up and mess around with it and know of a way please tell me..lol.

          2-thanks for giving me the weeks it would be good to test… i was thinking if i test on the 4th week it would be a good idea to test the fly 30. on the 8th week i was thinking testing a 150. and on the 12th week i was thinking testing a 300. how would you do this? also would i want to test max lifts in the weight room on the 4th 8th or 12th week? i was thinking maybee testing bench and squat on the 4th and 12th week and then again at the end of indoor.

          3-you also mentioned when my speed endurance focus goes up the focus on max velocity should decrease.. well i was lookin at it liek this.. i alwasy want to maintain max velocity even during a speed endurance run because the longer i can maintain the max velocity for the faster i will get… that is the way i was lookin at it. i was lookin at it as all 3 components acceleration max velocity and speed end coming together as one that is why i put the focus all high.

          flexability i also looked at as being a very important focus during the year and then lowering slightly however i dont feel flexabilty is a big part of my chart…

          is there any other aspects you think i should add or change? as i said i want to make this the best that i possibly can and indivisuals like yourself are helping me out a great deal and once again i apreciate it..

          😀

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 27, 2003 at 10:30 am #19288

          here it is…..

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 28, 2003 at 4:14 am #19289

          OK….your explanations make sense. As for working in excel there are tons of things you could do. Excel happens to be one of the most powerful computer software programs ever and actually has other software embedded in it that most people don’t know about (but that’s another subject and another messageboard all together!). The simplest way to make your graph look nice is to use the draw tools. To do this make sure you have the draw toolbar open. From here you can use the tools to actually draw lines, dots, triangles, whatever on your worksheet. If you want to get a little more complex, you could actually turn your “BIMOTOR ELEMENTS”; “SPEED ELEMENTS”; “VOLUME”; and “INTENSITY” into data sets rather than just writing in numerals or astericks in the cell spaces. If you did this you could then graph the above mentioned parameters and get a graphic representation of what is going I find this kind of thing much easier to see what is actually going on ( a picture tells a thousand words). Once you learn to do this kind of thing it makes creating charts like yours very simple. I’ve attached a picture of a graph using some of the data from your excel file. It only took me about 2 minutes and you could easily do the whole macro in this format.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on March 29, 2003 at 11:45 pm #19290

          here it is!! what do you think????

        • Keymaster
          Mike Young on March 31, 2003 at 1:39 pm #19291

          Nice job. That looks pretty impressive. Now I’m going to throw out a general point that may or may not be useful for you. Now that you’ve made your macro, I’d just remember that it should be thought of as a really general outline for an ideal scenario year (no injuries, decent test and meet results, sufficient technical development, etc.) and not something that has to be followed to the letter. If anything should go wrong during a season at all it would be wise to modify the macro as needed (or in a worse case scenario scrap the thing) rather than forcing yourself to stick with it. A good coach (and in your case an athlete who is coaching themselves) will never feel constrained by what they have written on paper on Day 1 because they should realize they are not fortune tellers and can’t know how things will be on Day 10, 104, 253, 345, etc. The macro looks good but make sure you give yourself plenty of leeway to modify. Good luck and keep posting.

          ELITETRACK Founder

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on April 1, 2003 at 3:11 am #19292

          THANX ALOT MIKE…
          definatly ill keep posting!

        • Member
          bhesp on July 18, 2005 at 10:31 am #19293

          Hey Quik,
          I just stumbled upon this thread and am interested in what you finally came up with for your "triple periodization plan."  It doesn't seem to be anywhere in the post and was wondering if I could take a look at what you finally came up with as this is something we were debating recently in our program.  Also, could you let me know how it worked out for you and if there is anything you'd change what it would be?  Thanks a lot.

        • Participant
          tkelly5 on July 19, 2005 at 9:05 am #19294

          Yeah, what Bhesp said.

        • Participant
          Derrick Brito on July 20, 2005 at 9:24 am #19295

          i have the file if quik doesnt.  ill have to look for it though.

        • Member
          bhesp on August 8, 2005 at 10:49 pm #19296

          Hey Cockysprinter,
          Do you think you could find that file?  I don't think Quik has checked this lately, at least not this thread…Thanks a lot.

        • Participant
          QUIKAZHELL on August 8, 2005 at 11:12 pm #19297

          send me a privatate message with yoru email and ill send it. Keep in mind it is 2-3 years old so some of my thoughts have changed since then.

        • Participant
          Derrick Brito on August 11, 2005 at 2:33 am #19298

          you found it right?  thats good cuz my comp is completely f'ed up.

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