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https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8685731.stm
Trying to find the site where I first saw the splits, but apparently he went 14.41 through the 150, which is just .06 slower than Bolts 150m finishing time last year.
Gay is looking to do some seriously good things this year it seems.
9.88 – 100m
Tyson’s split through the 150m mark is very close to Bolt’s WR. Tyson came through in 14.45 and Bolt ran 14.35 last year for the 150m. If there is a gap between these two, it has certainly narrowed to almost nil. Also, I need some slow-mo of that race but it seems as though Gay has been working on his Max V mechanics.
I still give a slight (very slight) edge to Bolt, but this could be the best showdown in history and it will be interesting to see how Usain runs if Tyson pulls up along side.
Since the 2008 season when bolt started to run wild, i don’t remember him ever being challenged especially in the 200m. It will be really interesting to see how Bolt responds should tyson come off the curve ahead of him.
My only concern for Tyson is whether his body can handle it? He is a great competitor and gets the most out of himself but that will take its toll on his body.
Either way its great for the sport of track and field. I hope they go head to head over both the 100m and 200m.
Tyson’s split through the 150m mark is very close to Bolt’s WR. Tyson came through in 14.45 and Bolt ran 14.35 last year for the 150m. If there is a gap between these two, it has certainly narrowed to almost nil. Also, I need some slow-mo of that race but it seems as though Gay has been working on his Max V mechanics.
I still give a slight (very slight) edge to Bolt, but this could be the best showdown in history and it will be interesting to see how Usain runs if Tyson pulls up along side.
Just to correct you…Tyson’s split time for 150m was 14.41, which is just 0.06 shy of Bolt’s PB.
Wind for Tyson was -0.4m/s, while Bolt had +1.1m/s.
[quote author="Chad Williams" date="1274120786"]Tyson’s split through the 150m mark is very close to Bolt’s WR. Tyson came through in 14.45 and Bolt ran 14.35 last year for the 150m. If there is a gap between these two, it has certainly narrowed to almost nil. Also, I need some slow-mo of that race but it seems as though Gay has been working on his Max V mechanics.
I still give a slight (very slight) edge to Bolt, but this could be the best showdown in history and it will be interesting to see how Usain runs if Tyson pulls up along side.
Just to correct you…Tyson’s split time for 150m was 14.41, which is just 0.06 shy of Bolt’s PB.
Wind for Tyson was -0.4m/s, while Bolt had +1.1m/s.[/quote]
1. How do those convert to account for wind? Anyone have the tables?
2. Full straight 200 vs. on a curve – what is the difference in time? (I’d assume it is negligible).
It wont be negligible, but it will be small. In 2007 at the World Champs, I think Gay ran the bend in just sub-10, which at the time was the best ever (I assume Bolt has since gone quicker). I cant remember the exact figure, but I think it was 9.98, which would mean that the lack of a bend made him 0.1 quicker (although this was into a headwind, so real world could be 0.2-0.3). With the wind, -1 over 100m equates to roughly 0.07 (again, depending on whose tables you study). In this instance, I cant see any reason why -1 wouldnt equate to 0.14 (its twice the distance for the same wind). So, if Bolt had 1.5m/s more wind, over 100m that would be 0.1-0.11, so over 150 it would be (0.11×1.5) 0.16-0.17.
That assumes that my workings are correct, which they might not be!
While it’s fun to speculate on these things, with a Guinness in hand and some wings on the table, I hope no one takes their “analysis” too seriously. Only the day of competition will decide things, and right now Bolt has a physical and, more importantly, psychological advantage over all his competitors. Despite what these guys say in interviews, they are afraid to go against the monster that dwarfs them on the big stage time and again.
Bolt doesn’t win with finer technique and more polished sprint mechanics, he simply overwhelms and overpowers his competitors. So comparing separate races will not give you a good prediction, trust me on this.
…and right now Bolt has a physical and, more importantly, psychological advantage over all his competitors. Despite what these guys say in interviews, they are afraid to go against the monster that dwarfs them on the big stage time and again…
I have to disagree with this. I think that Gay, Powell and others have nothing to loose as everyone (spectators) knows they’re slower, while Bolt has to remain THE ONE, untouchable, monster…
I can only imagine Bolts face when he sees anyone (Gay) in front after 150m…I wonder how relaxed would he be.
We all know Gay is fast, but can he stay healthy, we all know Powell is fast, but did he improve his psychological strenght?
This could be very interesting – spectatular year.
[quote author="Chad Williams" date="1274120786"]Tyson’s split through the 150m mark is very close to Bolt’s WR. Tyson came through in 14.45 and Bolt ran 14.35 last year for the 150m. If there is a gap between these two, it has certainly narrowed to almost nil. Also, I need some slow-mo of that race but it seems as though Gay has been working on his Max V mechanics.
I still give a slight (very slight) edge to Bolt, but this could be the best showdown in history and it will be interesting to see how Usain runs if Tyson pulls up along side.
Just to correct you…Tyson’s split time for 150m was 14.41, which is just 0.06 shy of Bolt’s PB.
Wind for Tyson was -0.4m/s, while Bolt had +1.1m/s.[/quote]
Thanks man, I have the numbers right in front me and still typed them wrong.
I think for me the most interesting thing is going to be seeing how Bolt performs if he is under pressure as I don’t think he has had a race over the last couple of years where in the last 10/20m he has had someone next to him!
Also I’m not sure whether many people watched the documentary on saturday (might just have been on in UK) about Bolt with Michael Johnson but when talking about himself he didn’t give the impression that he really wanted it….seemed the complete opposite work ethic to Johnson.
I really hope Bolt/Gay/Powell all get together in a Diamond league race could potentially be amazing!
Bolt’s 150 was on a rain soaked track. It had just downpoured.
I don’t really get why people are so lukewarm about Gay’s run, when Bolt did his 150m last year everyone was up in arms about how amazing it was.
Regardless of whether it had just rained or whether it was slightly colder/hotter etc etc…Gay ran 6/100ths slower into a headwind and in the middle of a 200m – not even a straight 150…and this being at a time when nearly everyone has put Bolt on a different level to everyones else and portrayed him as untouchable.
Personally I think that this shows they are very close on absolute speed at the moment which I think is great for the sport and great for both Bolt and Gay. To be honest given Gays stature in comparison to Bolt I think it is even more amazing that he can achieve those sort of velocities!
[quote author="Slowman" date="1274298637"]Bolt’s 150 was on a rain soaked track. It had just downpoured.
I don’t really get why people are so lukewarm about Gay’s run, when Bolt did his 150m last year everyone was up in arms about how amazing it was.
Regardless of whether it had just rained or whether it was slightly colder/hotter etc etc…Gay ran 6/100ths slower into a headwind and in the middle of a 200m – not even a straight 150…and this being at a time when nearly everyone has put Bolt on a different level to everyones else and portrayed him as untouchable.
Personally I think that this shows they are very close on absolute speed at the moment which I think is great for the sport and great for both Bolt and Gay. To be honest given Gays stature in comparison to Bolt I think it is even more amazing that he can achieve those sort of velocities![/quote]
I have watched that race a dozen times and Gay’s start is mediocre at best. Once he gets upright though, it is like shifting 2 gears. If he can clean up his start as the season progresses, there is no telling how close he is to Bolt. I really think they can go wire-to-wire after watching that race a few more times. His frequency looks to have improved and it seems as though he has cleaned up the backside mechanics.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8734639.stm
Looks like it has come at a cost unfortunately, seeking nutritional expert on why hes getting injured every year?!
(and hi all)
I love it how he says he had not run speed work yet. I know this is somewhat of a semantical issue over what we define as speed work but really….if this is even marginally correct, can we really be too surprised if he’s injured again. This is the 3rd year where he’s run blazingly fast times off ‘no speed work’ and then shortly thereafter gets injured.
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If this is true, how is it that a lack a speed work is what’s leading to his injuries?
If this is true, how is it that a lack a speed work is what’s leading to his injuries?
Shock to the body, not use to those high speeds – a major problem with l2s programs.
It would be the equivalent of taking a test without studying. Training adaptations to speed (or anything else for that matter) are quite specific. If you never run at maximal or circa-maximal speed until you go and race and your talent allows you to run super fast without the corresponding adaptations necessary to do so safely then you have a problem on your hands.
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It would be the equivalent of taking a test without studying. Training adaptations to speed (or anything else for that matter) are quite specific. If you never run at maximal or circa-maximal speed until you go and race and your talent allows you to run super fast without the corresponding adaptations necessary to do so safely then you have a problem on your hands.
Two questions:
Why is he not doing maximal speed training this far in-season if it would make him faster?
What I’m getting from your reply is that neurally he isn’t prepared to handle those high speeds because if his body is prepared through the weight training, why is it breaking down because of sprinting? I’d expect him to have weight training related injuries.
I look at it the other way, K.
He is naturally gifted neurologically. His body can move fast regardless of his training. However if he has done nothing but tempo and weightlifting then his muscles, tendons, and ligaments are nowhere near ready for the shock that running a 19.41 will give them. He gets hurt because he is, neurally, too good for his body to be using a L2S program that has him racing before hitting speed work in his progression.
I look at it the other way, K.
He is naturally gifted neurologically. His body can move fast regardless of his training. However if he has done nothing but tempo and weightlifting then his muscles, tendons, and ligaments are nowhere near ready for the shock that running a 19.41 will give them. He gets hurt because he is, neurally, too good for his body to be using a L2S program that has him racing before hitting speed work in his progression.
If this is the case then, you would think, his coaches would realize this and adjust accordingly. You would think.
I look at it the other way, K.
He is naturally gifted neurologically. His body can move fast regardless of his training. However if he has done nothing but tempo and weightlifting then his muscles, tendons, and ligaments are nowhere near ready for the shock that running a 19.41 will give them. He gets hurt because he is, neurally, too good for his body to be using a L2S program that has him racing before hitting speed work in his progression.
This.
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I look at it the other way, K.
He is naturally gifted neurologically. His body can move fast regardless of his training. However if he has done nothing but tempo and weightlifting then his muscles, tendons, and ligaments are nowhere near ready for the shock that running a 19.41 will give them. He gets hurt because he is, neurally, too good for his body to be using a L2S program that has him racing before hitting speed work in his progression.
Good answer. The nervous system’s ability to recruitment at high levels holds for an extremely long time, while soft tissue degrades with lack of specific use. I experienced a similar thing in olympic lifting, where after stopping training for a period of 4-5 months I decided to see what I could do one day and managed to do a 10kg personal best in the clean. I was sore for a week afterward. I don’t expect it would work as well for a lift like the squat or bench press, although I have been surprised what I can still do for low reps after long layoffs.
