Heat sheets are up.
World Championships – Berlin
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ParticipantMan, Gerald Phiri made it! A just a couple of years ago he was 10.6-8 guy…
Big improvements…
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He ran 6.70 for 60 in 2004, and 10.22w/ 10.5 legal then.
Since moving to the USA Im pretty sure he has improved a lot, 10.13 and 20.28 in 2008 if Im not mistaken.
Man, Gerald Phiri made it! A just a couple of years ago he was 10.6-8 guy…
Big improvements…
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Speed, did you make the relay pool?
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Ooops, a bit off then…i watched him run in the UK a couple of years ago and there he ran 10.6x i think…
But yeah, 10.5 to 10.1 is big…wondered if the UK coaches thought he had that kinda talent…
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Speed, did you make the relay pool?
I did, I am currently in Berlin. Unlikely to be used though I think.
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I always forget how you can run “fast” and still not advance at these world level meets.
10.54 advanced based on placement but 13 men ran faster and did not advance (based on times).Also interesting to view the reaction times, granted it is only round one but Powell reaction was .120 (so if .100 is quickest allowed, flirting with false?) whereas Gay shown as .194 so leaving 0.074 on the line to Powell for example (there were a few others in the low to mid .120s but most advancing in .140 or slower, lots in high .150s)
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The better athletes must struggle somewhat for motivation for the heats, hence the slower RTs from them. As these people are more likely to get through, its so happens that the people with the slower RT tend to get through at this point. Also, most athletes who will get through just play it safe, hence no great RTs on the most part.
With Powell, I guess he just wants to get his start sorted early on, so he can get into the rhythm of it all later. If he wants to do well, he will need to get a great start, and then not give up!
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Anyone know of reliable streaming from championships?
Found a few that look promising only to find they are not available “here” (Canada)…am I overlooking something obvious from IAAF?
In the meantime, all reports I have read is that Asafa cut it very fine, easing up way too much mid race and had to re-accelerate hard to prevent missing top three and then wait…so even now who knows what time he is capable of (making my prediction life tough ;-P )
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https://www.universalsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23000&ATCLID=204767807
Asafa looked worried for a second, then played his mistake off like it never happened. I don’t even like him that much and I would’ve felt horrible had he gotten screwed by slowing down like that.
I used to say Bolt would have to watch out for Gay in Berlin. But Bolt looks set to set another WR soon. The quarterfinals are in about an hour.
By the way Christophe Lemaitre will make the finals and break 10 sec. Speadfreak1 sorry to hear you aren’t in the relay even though you finished 4th, how the hell does that happen? You did pretty well in Osaka, too.
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Congrats to Aliann Pompey, made the next round in the women 400m. I trained with her at Manhattan College! She always makes the semi’s at majors….hopefully the final this year…
Anyone see how Chambers looked?
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Congrats to Aliann Pompey, made the next round in the women 400m. I trained with her at Manhattan College! She always makes the semi’s at majors….hopefully the final this year…
Anyone see how Chambers looked?
Chambers is the fastest Brit. He may medal. Lookin good.
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Yeah i’ve always been a fan…I said from day 1 he’ll break 10 here…I really do hope he medals…would be great for him…
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Powell’s near miss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppwTfZghaOcI will say that if his start looks like this in the final he could do very well – if his nerves doesn’t get the better of him yet again, obviously.
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Holy shizzle! That first 50m was superb!!!!!! Ok, well…maybe he is ready then…Hope so anyway.
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That was the best 50 Powell has shown all year.
He looked damn good in that
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THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT DWAIN!
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Is there a chance Ennis can break the hep world record?
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That wasn’t even close Rodgers, come on…
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Is there a chance Ennis can break the hep world record?
That was a hell of a last shot she had
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And there goes Lemaitre’s chance of breaking 10. Thats a shame
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Jake ya boys gone!
Amazing shot…talk about clutch!!!!! She’ll go 6.40m in the LJ…she’s great at the 200m, what else is there?
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I do think your white power has gone a bit far with that lol! You exagerate (sp) a lot…
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This is shit. Just run.
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And Powell is definitely in top form today
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WOW! 9.95 like nothing…chillin! He’s ready…
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I do think your white power has gone a bit far with that lol! You exagerate (sp) a lot…
Lemaitre would have had a performance much like Richard Thompson in Beijing. The fact that he is on the cusp of a sub 10 just adds even more nerves to top off his 19 year old age. He would have went 9.8x. I almost broke my friggin computer.
And you said to me you white power, when you yourself are white. So where do you summon your powers from, the wigger fairy?
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Gays 40-60 section looked damn good. 0-40 though? He’s gonna have to get on that…
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Haha your funny man!
I love everyone!
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[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250374073"]I do think your white power has gone a bit far with that lol! You exagerate (sp) a lot…
Lemaitre would have had a performance much like Richard Thompson in Beijing. The fact that he is on the cusp of a sub 10 just adds even more nerves to top off his 19 year old age. He would have went 9.8x. I almost broke my friggin computer.
And you said to me you white power, when you yourself are white. So where do you summon your powers from, the wigger fairy?[/quote]
Quit being an idiot in my thread and go back to your ethnicity thread if you want to argue.
No but seriously… no way Lematire goes 9.8
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Powell and Chambers are the best starters of everyone…
Gay and Bolt have the best top end…
I figure that means 3rd and 4th are for Powell and Chambers…
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I’ve never seen 10.02 like that! ever…
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karma is going to bite bolt in the butt one of these days for that crap. just my opinion but for as much great things he has done for the track and field world to me he’s been just as much as an embarassment.
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Bolt having fun at the end of the race is no different than high stepping into the endzone in football or walking a home run out of the batters box rather than running.
He hasn’t reached Mo Greene levels yet. Until he has someone run out and put out his spikes with a fire extinguisher then I think he’s alright.
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So who looked best so far to you guys?
I’m going with Bailey, bolt and then Chambers…
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So who looked best so far to you guys?
I’m going with Bailey, bolt and then Chambers…
Bolt, Gay, Bailey, and Chambers all will do well. Gay might get hurt in the semis though. His groin injury seems to be affecting his start. Gay will do better in the 200. Bolt will get at least 1 WR. Rodgers will now make the finals in place of Lemaitre. Fuck.
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Angelo Taylor did not advance from round 1 of the 400m Hurdles heats.
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Angelo Taylor did not advance from round 1 of the 400m Hurdles heats.
Yes he did, but he didn’t look good. Doubt he will make it to the final.
Bershawn Jackson had one of the strangest runs ever, starting out very slow and being dead last until the last 100m. He did end up going through but he should probably find af different strategy for the next round.Also, Churandy Martina must be kicking himself. If he had just had an average reaction time he would probably have gone through. 0.205 is seriously slow for a 100m.
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Is there a chance Ennis can break the hep world record?
No chance in hell.
Even with = PBs in the last 3 events, she doesn’t even break 7,000.
However, she looks very difficult to beat, and will score high 6K.
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She’ll break 7k!!!!!
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Ok i lied, my prediction is Ennis will score 6774!
Powell is ready to run like the Powell of old…meaning 9.7x’s. IF IF IF IF he runs his race in the final he will get a medal…that’s what he’s ready for.
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Buster: re the 10K…apparently there was no “break line” or line of cones/markers that should have been there if they were using the 2 boxes at the start (or at least that was one commentary I heard, not sure why they would not recall as that was pretty obvious, even to a sprint “guy”)
I am standing by my predictions both early and late in Mike Y. prediction game…I will count Lemaitre false start and DQ as one of top 12 gone by rules (as opposed to time)
7 of the 8 I had down for the finals of the 100m are still in it (so my percentages get better; I expected Martina to get to finals).Powell looked really, really good in the 2nd round…I agree about Gay and his 0 to 40m…”problem” is two fold, one for each…Powell will not run his best in the final and Gay will get to that final and podium but he will be in as a poor seed (outside lane) since, if I understand the rules, top 4 of each semi go through and that weakness will be exposed more when he is in a semi with either Bolt or Powell, Bolt can outdo him at his own game (coming on strong late) and from Powell’s run in round # 2, he may be too far in front for that late charge to have much effect (I don’t think it is him choking in the purest sense of the word but rather he just can’t seem to go more than 3 rounds and you need to go 4 at increasingly higher levels…HOWEVER on the part CBC broadcast he was trying to “clown” like Bolt so if he can stay relaxed, even if it is artificial to his nature…)
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I really wanted to punch Rodgers after his false start. I was really waiting something interesting from Lemaitre.
Me too. Lemaitre looked like he had the potential to do better than 10.04 (EJR holder). He ran 10.23 into a -.8 wind to beat Marc Burns with an easy start. Seriously, we need to get this sub 10 out of the way fast. He was a better hope for Europe than Chambers I believe, or at least very close.
I think Rodgers should have been eliminated. The current false start rule is dumb.
Here’s my prediction:
1. Usain Bolt 9.59
2. Daniel Bailey 9.75
3. Gay 9.77
4. Chambers 9.83
5. Patton 9.91 -I would’ve put Lemaitre here.
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[quote author="Francisco Falise" date="1250406933"]I really wanted to punch Rodgers after his false start. I was really waiting something interesting from Lemaitre.
Me too. Lemaitre looked like he had the potential to do better than 10.04 (EJR holder). He ran 10.23 into a -.8 wind to beat Marc Burns with an easy start. Seriously, we need to get this sub 10 out of the way fast. He was a better hope for Europe than Chambers I believe, or at least very close.
I think Rodgers should have been eliminated. The current false start rule is dumb.
[/quote]Even if Rodgers was eliminated, Lemaitre still would’ve been gone, so it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. But I did want to see what Lemaitre would do as well. As far as the false start rule, it’s a double-edged sword. Should a runner travel all the way across the world to run in a race, but get disqualified because of human error? However, you do have some guys who will purposely false start in order to get other guys off of their game, so who knows.
I think we should keep the current rule. It’s better to run a bad race than no race at all. Does anybody know how frequent false starts are in 100m races?
[quote author="Francisco Falise" date="1250406933"]Here’s my prediction:
1. Usain Bolt 9.59
2. Daniel Bailey 9.75
3. Gay 9.77
4. Chambers 9.83
5. Patton 9.91 -I would’ve put Lemaitre here.
6. Powell 9.96
7. Rodgers 9.99
8. Burns 10.03Asafa looked good in quarter-finals, very good. This is definitely a stretch, but I think he’s still a gold medal contender. Bolt’s quarter-final scared me a bit though.
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Bolt having fun at the end of the race is no different than high stepping into the endzone in football or walking a home run out of the batters box rather than running.
He hasn’t reached Mo Greene levels yet. Until he has someone run out and put out his spikes with a fire extinguisher then I think he’s alright.
I died laughing when I saw the video of Mo Green with the fire extinguisher. He was before my time, so I never got to see any more of his antics.
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[quote author="Francisco Falise" date="1250406933"]I really wanted to punch Rodgers after his false start. I was really waiting something interesting from Lemaitre.
Me too. Lemaitre looked like he had the potential to do better than 10.04 (EJR holder). He ran 10.23 into a -.8 wind to beat Marc Burns with an easy start. Seriously, we need to get this sub 10 out of the way fast. He was a better hope for Europe than Chambers I believe, or at least very close.
I think Rodgers should have been eliminated. The current false start rule is dumb.
Here’s my prediction:
1. Usain Bolt 9.59
2. Daniel Bailey 9.75
3. Gay 9.77
4. Chambers 9.83
5. Patton 9.91 -I would’ve put Lemaitre here.
6. Powell 9.96
7. Rodgers 9.99
8. Burns 10.03[/quote]Here’s mine…
1. Bolt – 9.63
2. Gay – 9.82
3) Powell – 9.85
4) Chambers – 9.89
5) Bailey – 9.96
6) Rodgers – 10.01
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250412104"][quote author="Francisco Falise" date="1250406933"]I really wanted to punch Rodgers after his false start. I was really waiting something interesting from Lemaitre.
Me too. Lemaitre looked like he had the potential to do better than 10.04 (EJR holder). He ran 10.23 into a -.8 wind to beat Marc Burns with an easy start. Seriously, we need to get this sub 10 out of the way fast. He was a better hope for Europe than Chambers I believe, or at least very close.
I think Rodgers should have been eliminated. The current false start rule is dumb.
Here’s my prediction:
1. Usain Bolt 9.59
2. Daniel Bailey 9.75
3. Gay 9.77
4. Chambers 9.83
5. Patton 9.91 -I would’ve put Lemaitre here.
6. Powell 9.96
7. Rodgers 9.99
8. Burns 10.03[/quote]Here’s mine…
1. Bolt – 9.65
2. Gay – 9.82
3) Powell – 9.85
4) Chambers – 9.89
5) Bailey – 9.96
6) Rodgers – 10.01
7) Thompson – 10.02
8) Patton – 10.05[/quote]I like your top 3, but I think Gay will run much faster then 9.82..
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250412104"][quote author="Francisco Falise" date="1250406933"]I really wanted to punch Rodgers after his false start. I was really waiting something interesting from Lemaitre.
Me too. Lemaitre looked like he had the potential to do better than 10.04 (EJR holder). He ran 10.23 into a -.8 wind to beat Marc Burns with an easy start. Seriously, we need to get this sub 10 out of the way fast. He was a better hope for Europe than Chambers I believe, or at least very close.
I think Rodgers should have been eliminated. The current false start rule is dumb.
[/quote]Even if Rodgers was eliminated, Lemaitre still would’ve been gone, so it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. But I did want to see what Lemaitre would do as well. As far as the false start rule, it’s a double-edged sword. Should a runner travel all the way across the world to run in a race, but get disqualified because of human error? However, you do have some guys who will purposely false start in order to get other guys off of their game, so who knows.
I think we should keep the current rule. It’s better to run a bad race than no race at all. Does anybody know how frequent false starts are in 100m races?
[quote author="Francisco Falise" date="1250406933"]Here’s my prediction:
1. Usain Bolt 9.59
2. Daniel Bailey 9.75
3. Gay 9.77
4. Chambers 9.83
5. Patton 9.91 -I would’ve put Lemaitre here.
6. Powell 9.96
7. Rodgers 9.99
8. Burns 10.03Asafa looked good in quarter-finals, very good. This is definitely a stretch, but I think he’s still a gold medal contender. Bolt’s quarter-final scared me a bit though.[/quote]
VERY common. The old rule was way better, the current one punishes everyone.
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As far as the false start rule, it’s a double-edged sword. Should a runner travel all the way across the world to run in a race, but get disqualified because of human error? However, you do have some guys who will purposely false start in order to get other guys off of their game, so who knows.
Since NCAA rule of “one = gone” (I think that is correct but is it also applied elsewhere?) has been in effect, those from the US (or having come through that system) should be at a bit of an advantage and IMO the rest of the world is “behind”.
That said the part of the rule I disagree with is the part that got Grueso DQ along with Lematre i.e. that more than one can be DQed at one time, sorry but if you are in an adjacent lane and the person next to you moves, you had better move as well just from being so close to that “edge” esp at this level(which is part of the reason to purposely false start)…what I don’t really understand is why in that situation it is not just one athlete after another going (in the video/stream there are some still waiting long after but still in “set”); there are many other places in the rule book that allow for a bit of official discretion, could it not be applied in that example as it was kind of obvious why the second someone would move.
FYI: there are always a number of rule changes proposed as part of the WC and meetings surrounding those Championships, and the way I am reading it, some of those proposals have now been approved and will go into “force” from November 1 2009 and to me interesting ones include:
100.12 (?):
“In all competitions (except World Indoor and Outdoor Championships) and Olympic Games, events may be held in a different format that provided under the IAAF technical rules…”
to me this leaves the door wide open to most meets being run in a manner/order most suited to the organizer and I am not sure if that is necessarily good
162.7:
[b]“Except in combined events any athlete responsible for a false start shall be disqualified”[/b]
That one goes directly to my previous comments, the “warning” clause has been removed from what I can tell. But as it is not mentioned in the changes one has to assume that more than one can still be DQed at one time.
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I don’t think we’re going to see any 9.5x today. I think if Usain has the victory wrapped up he’s not going to run through the line but maybe someone will give him a run and he will be forced to…either way I don’t think a 9.5x is going to happen.
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100.12 (?): [quote]“In all competitions (except World Indoor and Outdoor Championships) and Olympic Games, events may be held in a different format that provided under the IAAF technical rules…”
to me this leaves the door wide open to most meets being run in a manner/order most suited to the organizer and I am not sure if that is necessarily good
[/quote]I’m hoping that this is the beginning of attempts to create meets more suitable for TV. This allows for meets to only have a few prestige events and still be used as qualifiers for Worlds, from my understanding.
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Josh: hadn’t thought of that but yeh…I was thinking more that if a variety of formats are allowed that when those athletes then come to meets that follow the IAAF precisely, there could be “issues”
Mr. Bolt seems to have figured out how to start better…semis done…as if he needed more ammunition ;-P
Semi also showed, I think, Chambers does not have that “overdrive” gear between 50m and say 75m that nearly all others possess at this level by now, a SB for him but will be hard pressed to run sub 10…I’m 7 of 8 for those into final with Chambers “replacing” Martina…and another DQ (Edgar GBR, false start) and yes, Lemaitre could have made final.
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Sanchez made the final! Huge surprise and it will be very nice to see him back there.
Van Zyl made a mess of it somehow. That must be such a disappointment, but he will be back.Edit: Isa Phillips out as well in a great display of terrible race distribution.
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9.58!!!! OH MY..
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He made Tyson’s 9.71 look pedestrian. Holy hell.
Possibly the first ever .80 (or under) 10m split?
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He made Tyson’s 9.71 look pedestrian. Holy hell.
Possibly the first ever .80 (or under) 10m split?
Definitely looking forward to see the 10m splits!
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Bolt actually had a good reaction time as well, .146. I think we’ve finally seen him treat a championship race like an actual championship.
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When gay made that comment about being able to go that fast I dont think he actually meant as fast as what bolt did, probably just tired and said it, but its not really sad to see him get an american record and get second place…but damn, I did not expect 9.5x…ridiculous
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I’ve seen no greater moment in sport. Brings athletics and 100m sprinting back to the pinnacle. Hat’s off to all three who’ve challenged the limits to human performance.
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Just remembered that Bolt cited Glen Mills as saying last year, that 9.58 was a realistic goal for Bolt in the 100… Gotta give it to Mills that he hit the spot! Although further improvement might follow… 🙂
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Also loved the atmosphere in the stadium, with the shot and hepta finals right before, very exciting. German publicum exploded with two silver medals, the run of the german heptathlete in the 800 was crazy, she fell, was last and finished 5th to get the silver spot.
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When gay made that comment about being able to go that fast I dont think he actually meant as fast as what bolt did, probably just tired and said it, but its not really sad to see him get an american record and get second place…but damn, I did not expect 9.5x…ridiculous
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She’ll break 7k!!!!!
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She had a great meet, but 7k needed a 7m long jump.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRprpUpz4o
Click HD for the full 720p version. Great slow-mo side view at the end!
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Also counted 41 steps for him in that race. He covers so much damn ground…
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Fantastic night (and atmosphere) for athletics. The audience was very excited (like I was) with the heptathalon, shot put, triple jump, hurdles etc. Great occassion for our sport. United the world it has. I’ve even learned some German (from the commentary). The fact that there are three contenders (each with their own followers) is great for sprinting. I’ll bet that Tyson Gay never dreamt (as a kid) of ever running 9.71s.
The video shows a greater “hitch” of the rear leg (by Bolt and by Mr Lane 2) as they come out of the blocks. It probably enables them to slam down the leg for the first step. Also noticed Tyson Gay in the first step where he is lower than the rest. Asafa always stands up too early in these clutch sprints. That was a fast race overall. How did the other guys go?
“Raus aus dieser welt”
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I have to say i’m really impressed with Asafa today. He was loose, relaxed, joking etc…i’ve never seen that before from him AND he ran a seasons best…therefore certainly didn’t “choke” like previous years…i think he’s much better now than he was before..even though he has ran faster before…
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He had that ankle injury all season. I think we’ll see Asafa back in the 9.7’s after worlds if he runs.
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As elnaturalista linked this article
maybe we should not overlook what happens when an athlete truly buys into something…since during the broadcasts I saw, Bolt was given partial credit for Asafa trying to be more relaxed…but you could also see nearly all others were at least attempting to achieve relaxation the same way but with some, it sure was transparent and not all that effective…
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Whats crazy is that it really isnt a fast track at all. The track is dead. Its not mondo, its polytan, which makes it soft. I did a blocks session on it the other day and felt terrible!
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He had that ankle injury all season. I think we’ll see Asafa back in the 9.7’s after worlds if he runs.
He looked very good in semis but yet again he somehow managed to “fail” in final.
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[quote author="Josh Hurlebaus" date="1250488344"]He had that ankle injury all season. I think we’ll see Asafa back in the 9.7’s after worlds if he runs.
He looked very good in semis but yet again he somehow managed to “fail” in final.
I’d say that he is capable of going sub .70 in meets to come. Just remeber last season and his 9.72s in Lausanne after OG.[/quote]I think it was a step in the right direction.
Asafa in (finals)…
Athens 2004: 9.94 (+0.6) 5th
Osaka 2007: 9.96 (-0.5) 3rd
Beijing 2008: 9.95 (0.0) 5th
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Whats crazy is that it really isnt a fast track at all. The track is dead. Its not mondo, its polytan, which makes it soft. I did a blocks session on it the other day and felt terrible!
That’s crazy to consider… But you’re right – if you look at other speed events thus far (really only the Hept 100h and 200m, and the men’s 100m final) you don’t see as many PB’s (or even SB’s) as you would expect for a WC. 6/8 100m runners did get Seasonal Bests, but only Bolt and Gay got Personal Bests.
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Heres the biomech results posted before written out to highlight the difference between Bolts and Gays race and their individual splits
Bolt 2.89 4.64 6.31 7.92 9.58
Gay 2.92 4.70 6.39 8.08 9.71
Difference .03 .06 .08 .16 .13Splits- numbers in parenthesis are comparison between same athletes previous split
Bolt 1.75 1.67(-.08) 1.61(-.06) 1.66(.05)
Gay 1.78 1.69(-.09) 1.63(-.06) 1.69(.06)
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1.75 seconds for 20-40m !!!!! haha, makes my 2.00 look GREAT.
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Its damn amazing that Bolt averaged .805 10m splits for his 60-80m segment. I really want 10m splits. I want to see a .79 in there, haha
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He hit 11.3 m/s at around 25-30m and didn’t hit top speed until 60m? lol…wild stuff…
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Is it just Buster (P# 5) and me or have there been some really weird race “plans” for 400mH?
Tosta ended up getting to the next round quite easily but cutting it fine regarding the auto-qualifying spots and to me the race distribution was terrible.
Gotta love the little RC vehicles w mascot returning the hammer 😆
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I have been saying for ages that something like this would happen to Isinbayeva! I find her rediculus…She lays there and sleeps for over an hour while the others are jumping and then expects to be able to enter the competition at 4.70m or higher…She wants all the attention to always be on her…
She is soooooooooooo up her own ass it’s not even funny…all she needs to do is jump 4.50m, get a feel to for things etc then pass to whatever she wants depending on how she feels…
After laying down for so long she can’t do anymore run throughs or practice jumps so no wonder her shit is off…she’s so stupid! and her coach for letting her do it is no better…
p.s. I predict 10.69 for the womens 100m winner…
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I predict 10.74!
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haha! it was 10.73 lol lol
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Haha damn that was fast as hell too for being an apparently slow track.
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200m final prediction:
19.31 Usain Bolt
19.47 Tyson Gay
19.83 Wallace Spearmon
19.97 Ramil Guliyev
20.00 Alonso Edward
20.01 Steve Mullings
20.17 Brendan Christian
20.24 Paul Hession400m final Prediction
44.12 Jeremy Wariner
44.34 LaShawn Merritt
44.57 David Gillick
44.61 Chris Brown
44.87 Leslie Djhone
44.97 Tabarie Henry
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USATF is reporting Gay will NOT run the 200. Maybe his groin is more hurt than we thought?
Hopefully its not just his ego. He doesn’t seem like that guy to me.
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Saving himself for the 4×100..
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200m final prediction:
19.31 Usain Bolt
19.47 Tyson Gay
19.83 Wallace Spearmon
19.97 Ramil Guliyev
20.00 Alonso Edward
20.01 Steve Mullings
20.17 Brendan Christian
20.24 Paul Hession400m final Prediction
44.12 Jeremy Wariner
44.34 LaShawn Merritt
44.57 David Gillick
44.61 Chris Brown
44.87 Leslie Djhone
44.97 Tabarie Henry
45.01 Gil Roberts
45.25 Martyn Rooney (if healthy)Well, I guess no Tyson Gay in the 200. Maybe Guliyev will get broze now. A 19 year old out of Azerbaijan getting a bronze. Haha. I would not of said that could happen last year.
This may mean that Bolt will shut it down in the 200 and get a 19.6x.
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I have been saying for ages that something like this would happen to Isinbayeva! I find her rediculus…She lays there and sleeps for over an hour while the others are jumping and then expects to be able to enter the competition at 4.70m or higher…She wants all the attention to always be on her…
She is soooooooooooo up her own ass it’s not even funny…all she needs to do is jump 4.50m, get a feel to for things etc then pass to whatever she wants depending on how she feels…
After laying down for so long she can’t do anymore run throughs or practice jumps so no wonder her shit is off…she’s so stupid! and her coach for letting her do it is no better…
p.s. I predict 10.69 for the womens 100m winner…
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200m final prediction:
19.31 Usain Bolt
19.47 Tyson Gay
19.83 Wallace Spearmon
19.97 Ramil Guliyev
20.00 Alonso Edward
20.01 Steve Mullings
20.17 Brendan Christian
20.24 Paul Hession400m final Prediction
44.12 Jeremy Wariner
44.34 LaShawn Merritt
44.57 David Gillick
44.61 Chris Brown
44.87 Leslie Djhone
44.97 Tabarie Henry
45.01 Gil Roberts
45.25 Martyn Rooney (if healthy)No love for Crawford?
I reckon the 400 will be somewhere in the 43’s. I know that Merritt and Wariner have had some injury concerns this season and that neither has been close to top form but I also have a feeling that they have had the intention building up real heavily to unleash against one another at these champs. Wariner is desperate for that gold again, and Merritt doesn’t want to go back to second fiddle either.
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250556891"]200m final prediction:
19.31 Usain Bolt
19.47 Tyson Gay
19.83 Wallace Spearmon
19.97 Ramil Guliyev
20.00 Alonso Edward
20.01 Steve Mullings
20.17 Brendan Christian
20.24 Paul Hession400m final Prediction
44.12 Jeremy Wariner
44.34 LaShawn Merritt
44.57 David Gillick
44.61 Chris Brown
44.87 Leslie Djhone
44.97 Tabarie Henry
45.01 Gil Roberts
45.25 Martyn Rooney (if healthy)Well, I guess no Tyson Gay in the 200. Maybe Guliyev will get broze now. A 19 year old out of Azerbaijan getting a bronze. Haha. I would not of said that could happen last year.
This may mean that Bolt will shut it down in the 200 and get a 19.6x.[/quote]
Do you want to put money on your 200 prediction? I’d give you 2:1 on him even making the final (pay double if he makes it).
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I did forget about Crawford! He is on par with Guliyev for bronze. I think Spearmon and Bolt have their places wrapped up. And Davan I imagine any time under 20.30 makes the 200 finals. Considering Guliyev went 20.04 and 10.08/10.16 I think his times are legit. Lol I’m not going to argue about my predictions we can just wait and see!
I hope the 400 is under 44. It is definitely my most anticipated event. Wariner and Merritt both are going to SB for sure, though. I really want Gillick to medal. But isn’t there also some guy from the Bahamas that gets fourth every year? Chris Brown I think. I’d like him to get bronze too.
200 1 and 2 will be Bolt and Spearmon. 400 1 and 2 will be Wariner and Merritt. I’d bet money on that right there. The bronze will be tight in both events. I can’t wait.
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My predictions
1. Wariner loses 400m, again. Takes 2nd yet again. The time is nothing special (high 43 at best) and Jeremy doesn’t break 44.2 in the final.
2. Guliyev doesn’t make 200m final.
3. Sanya finally wins 400m title
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My predictions
1. Wariner loses 400m, again. Takes 2nd yet again. The time is nothing special (high 43 at best) and Jeremy doesn’t break 44.2 in the final.
2. Guliyev doesn’t make 200m final.
3. Sanya finally wins 400m title
4. Gillick doesn’t get a medal nor does he make the final.
5. Crawford takes home hardware yet again.I agree about Sanya Richards. And in my opinion Wariner coming in 2nd isn’t “losing.” Him versus Merritt should be close. Any time under 43 IS special, even 44.2.
But it will be fun to see which one of us is right. You may be right about some of the medals, but Gillick’s 44.77 and Guliyev’s 20.04 are more than enought to make their respective finals. Even if they just come close to those times.
1.Wariner, 2. Merritt, 3. Gillick
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43high isn’t special when you make 0 improvement (if you’re Merritt) or if you make significant regression (Wariner, over half a second from Osaka). Write it down.
Your obsession with decent white sprinters is scary. They’re great and have some room to improve, but even in a crap year for the 400m Gillick has no chance to medal and Guliyev is even further away. Plenty of other faster athletes this year, even when not doing many comps.
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43high isn’t special when you make 0 improvement (if you’re Merritt) or if you make significant regression (Wariner, over half a second from Osaka). Write it down.
Your obsession with decent white sprinters is scary. They’re great and have some room to improve, but even in a crap year for the 400m Gillick has no chance to medal and Guliyev is even further away. Plenty of other faster athletes this year, even when not doing many comps.
I’m going by times. You would never of argued with me had a man of West African descent ran 20.04 and I said he had a chance for bronze now that Tyson Gay is gone. Same goes for David Gillick’s 44.77. These are world class times. I would bet $100,000,000 that 44.77 and 20.04 are enough to make both finals. You are ridiculous, lol.
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IF Christine wins the 400m again…We REALLY have to question her training and wonder just how she manages such huge peaks at the major championships…She looks HORRIBLE during the season MOST of the time…then runs 49’s in the major finals…
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The problem with Guliyev is that while he is able to produce good times during the universiade and euro juniors, IIRC, he speculated a lot during heats and most likely he won’t be able to do that in a senior WC, so that if the makes it to the final he will be pretty much more taxed than he has been until now. He didn’t contest in the 100m though, so he might be fresher than usual.
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IF Christine wins the 400m again…We REALLY have to question her training and wonder just how she manages such huge peaks at the major championships…She looks HORRIBLE during the season MOST of the time…then runs 49’s in the major finals…
Supercompensation ftw.
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[quote author="davan" date="1250567164"]43high isn’t special when you make 0 improvement (if you’re Merritt) or if you make significant regression (Wariner, over half a second from Osaka). Write it down.
Your obsession with decent white sprinters is scary. They’re great and have some room to improve, but even in a crap year for the 400m Gillick has no chance to medal and Guliyev is even further away. Plenty of other faster athletes this year, even when not doing many comps.
I’m going by times. You would never of argued with me had a man of West African descent ran 20.04 and I said he had a chance for bronze now that Tyson Gay is gone. Same goes for David Gillick’s 44.77. These are world class times. I would bet $100,000,000 that 44.77 and 20.04 are enough to make both finals. You are ridiculous, lol.[/quote]
The time alone can make it, but can they run the times. That is always the question and then, not only do they have to run the times, but they have to improve on them significantly in the final to medal.
If you said somebody with a 20.04 200m SB and PR had a good chance at bronze (when there are multiple people with better SBs and more importantly better PBs and most have contested very few 200s this year) and you predicted it, I would think it is just as dumb.
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[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250568228"]IF Christine wins the 400m again…We REALLY have to question her training and wonder just how she manages such huge peaks at the major championships…She looks HORRIBLE during the season MOST of the time…then runs 49’s in the major finals…
Supercompensation ftw.[/quote]
Yeah good one!
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250568210"][quote author="davan" date="1250567164"]43high isn’t special when you make 0 improvement (if you’re Merritt) or if you make significant regression (Wariner, over half a second from Osaka). Write it down.
Your obsession with decent white sprinters is scary. They’re great and have some room to improve, but even in a crap year for the 400m Gillick has no chance to medal and Guliyev is even further away. Plenty of other faster athletes this year, even when not doing many comps.
I’m going by times. You would never of argued with me had a man of West African descent ran 20.04 and I said he had a chance for bronze now that Tyson Gay is gone. Same goes for David Gillick’s 44.77. These are world class times. I would bet $100,000,000 that 44.77 and 20.04 are enough to make both finals. You are ridiculous, lol.[/quote]
The time alone can make it, but can they run the times. That is always the question and then, not only do they have to run the times, but they have to improve on them significantly in the final to medal.
If you said somebody with a 20.04 200m SB and PR had a good chance at bronze (when there are multiple people with better SBs and more importantly better PBs and most have contested very few 200s this year) and you predicted it, I would think it is just as dumb.[/quote]
I would agree. The only people with better PB’s and SB’s than Guliyev are:
Usain Bolt 19.30/ 19.59 SB
Wallace Spearmon 19.65/ 19.98 SBWhere are all the faster runners? You clearly just don’t like white people. Here are the afster PBs but not SB than Guliyev:
Jaysuma Saidy Ndure 19.89 PB/ 20.55 SB
Shawn Crawford 19.79 PB/ 20.19 SBOther than Bolt and Spearmon, the only competitive person for bronze other than Guliyev is Crawford.
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Crawford has not ran many 200s (especially in good conditions) and he still went 19.75w and most importantly has the experience and fitness to do it after 3 rounds. Ndure has ran few 200s. Brendan Christian ran sub 20 with minimal wind assistance (wind assistance in the 200 is hard to argue anyway since there is a curve as it is), Steve Mullings ran 20.01 and has more experience, Alonso Edward has a faster PB and SB and at least as much experience at Guliyev, and more. I think any one of those guys can and likely will take Guliyev in a race that matters. His best races have come against nobodies for the most part and he hasn’t had wins against the best people (YET!!), so I think it’ll have to wait until indoors 2010 or outdoors 2011 for him to make an impact at a WC.
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[quote author="dan1990" date="1250564990"]According to Ato Boldon’s facebook status:
” Someone in the men’s 100m dash final has tested positive, a German paper is reporting… We will know if this is smoke or fire by tomorrow…My source is excellent.”
That’s a time bomb. It’s a legit facebook?[/quote]
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Exciting though right…
Speculation time!!!!
Any thoughts?
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If it’s Dwain, i’m quiting track!
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I’m not speculating but I feel sick with the thought that someone has ruined our great sport yet again. I’m actually nervous in anticipation as to who it is and hope that is someone minor. We all carry the scars of the drug cheats.
As per my usual defence of such issues,please note that drugs have not gotten any better but records have. Keep in mind athletic ability, training methods, innovation and program design.Please keep as all updated.
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I don’t think we can say drugs haven’t got better…truth is we don’t know…just like we didn’t know about the clear when it was happening…
I’m sure drugs have got better, chemistry and technology is always evolving…
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Regardless of who it is, track will be dragged through the mud as the dirtiest sport once again, while NFL and MLB players only sit out a few weeks from each positive test they give and nobody gives a crap.
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Does anyone think Hinds, Martina or Mbandjock have a shot at getting to the 200m final?
While Spearmon, Crawford and Mullings have yet to “go”, those first three have a taste for competition and in the case of Hinds or Martina perhaps not satisfied…enough to fight into the finals? Or do others think just the opposite it true, that Spearmon, Crawford and Mullings are better off not having competed and a singular focus with the rounds being enough?
IF the positive test turns out to be Burns, has T+T got enough good bodies for the rounds of 4×100…I sort of had them pegged for bronze…or higher if there are baton problems…
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10m splits from the mens 100m final
BOLT
0,146
20m – 2,89 – 0.90
30m – 3,79 – 0.85
40m – 4,64 – 0.84
50m – 5.48 – 0.83
60m – 6,31 – 0.81
70m – 7.12 – 0.80
80m – 7,92 – 0.83
90m – 8.75 – 0.83
100m- 9,58GAY
0,144
20m – 2,92 – 0.91
30m – 3,83 – 0.87
40m – 4,70 – 0.85
50m – 5.55 – 0.84
60m – 6,39 – 0.82
70m – 7.21 – 0.81
80m – 8.02 – 0.85
90m – 8.87 – 0.84
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Rumor is the postive was NOT one of the top 3, and the test was from BEFORE the championships.
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[url=https://berlin.iaaf.org/mm/document/development/research/05/31/54/20090817073528_httppostedfile_analysis100mmenfinal_bolt_13666.pdf]Analysis of Bolt’s 100 – Berlin 2009 – Race distribution: LAVEG measurement curve and average speed [/url]
Yo dude! Where do you get this information from?
Do they have figures such as ground contact time, number of steps per split/interval, and Bolt’s weight? That would make my day – I can make a model from which we can tell how much force/power Bolt is generating.
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[quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250602971"]Random 200m prediction:
Usain Bolt 19.22 (unless he plays it lamely and shuts down)
Wallace Spearmon 19.67
Shawn Crawford 19.72
Steve Mullings 19.98
Alonso Edwards 20.03
Ramil Guliyev 20.12
Charles Clark 20.14
Brendan Christian 20.23random indeed[/quote]
Well now you go and make me feel bad lol. And to think that I only added the “random” as an afterthought.Rumor is the postive was NOT one of the top 3, and the test was from BEFORE the championships.
I hope that is the case, not that I hope it is the case at all.
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[quote author="speedfreak1" date="1250602830"]Rumor is the postive was NOT one of the top 3, and the test was from BEFORE the championships.
I have a strange feeling about Daniel Bailey… :-S[/quote]
I think its most likely. Trains in same group as Blake and Andersen who got caught up in that stimulant scandal.
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[quote author="Snoof" date="1250608988"][quote author="speedfreak1" date="1250602830"]Rumor is the postive was NOT one of the top 3, and the test was from BEFORE the championships.
I have a strange feeling about Daniel Bailey… :-S[/quote]
I think its most likely. Trains in same group as Blake and Andersen who got caught up in that stimulant scandal.[/quote]
Ya, but doesn’t Bailey also train with Bolt? I would expect the sprinter is from Trinidad and Tobago, because Ato Bolden said his source was pretty good. My bet is Marc Burns or Richard Thompson. Also, don’t training partners usually take the same things?
I’m glad the German newspaper reported this because I was afraid it would be swept under the carpet. I doubt it’s Dwain Chambers. No way he had the balls to do this again.
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Peaking is so over rated! It’s all about effort..I’ve watched Idowu all year and he never tries tp run hard until he’s in a major championship…he knows he can jump 17.30m without trying…he can jump 18m for def but he never really gives himself a chance…
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Lol, Davan said Guliev would not make the finals. My prediction yesterday was that Bolt and Spearmon would go 1 and 2, and Crawford and Guliyev would go for bronze. It is certainly shaping up that way. It will be interesting to see how Hession will do also, I believe 7th or 8th place.
In the 400 I am rooting for Wariner. Then Merritt. Watching them run I think one of them if not both may break 44, but either way it should be close. For bronze, it looks like Tabarie Henry, David Gillick, Chris Brown, and Quow will fight a close fight. Wissman usually makes the finals, but I doubt he is in good enough form right now. Tobin and Rooney, or at least one of them should make the finals.
In the 400 womens, I see Richards finally winning. The 400 hurdles will be a close one. Some Brit names Greene came out of nowhere…
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The 200m semi next? or final?
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[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250634820"]The 200m semi next? or final?
Both tomorrow I believe, for men.[/quote]
Final is thursday, semi tomorrow.
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250635545"][quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250634820"]The 200m semi next? or final?
Both tomorrow I believe, for men.[/quote]
Final is thursday, semi tomorrow.[/quote]
Are you still not in the relay Williamson looks like poop now and Aikeens-Ayreety is always slower than you?
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[quote author="premium" date="1250603111"][quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250602971"]Random 200m prediction:
Usain Bolt 19.22 (unless he plays it lamely and shuts down)
Wallace Spearmon 19.67
Shawn Crawford 19.72
Steve Mullings 19.98
Alonso Edwards 20.03
Ramil Guliyev 20.12
Charles Clark 20.14
Brendan Christian 20.23random indeed[/quote]
Well now you go and make me feel bad lol. And to think that I only added the “random” as an afterthought.Rumor is the postive was NOT one of the top 3, and the test was from BEFORE the championships.
I hope that is the case, not that I hope it is the case at all.[/quote]
i didnt mean to insult you, i apologize if i did, i was just wondering the reasoning
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Lol, Davan said Guliev would not make the finals. My prediction yesterday was that Bolt and Spearmon would go 1 and 2, and Crawford and Guliyev would go for bronze. It is certainly shaping up that way. It will be interesting to see how Hession will do also, I believe 7th or 8th place.
Like I said, he won’t make the final. He was lucky to be in the easiest heat, run >21, and make it. He took 2nd in his quarter and struggled having to run all the way through the tape.
He needs top 4 in his semi and though he is lucky that Gay and Chambers both withdrew (along with others), I still don’t see him making it easy (though it is now a possibility) and a bronze is pretty much out of the question IMO.
He will be beaten by Spearmon and Mullings in his heat and I think the host of others will be right there with him, so it is a toss up for what else happens.
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250634616"]Lol, Davan said Guliev would not make the finals. My prediction yesterday was that Bolt and Spearmon would go 1 and 2, and Crawford and Guliyev would go for bronze. It is certainly shaping up that way. It will be interesting to see how Hession will do also, I believe 7th or 8th place.
Like I said, he won’t make the final. He was lucky to be in the easiest heat, run >21, and make it. He took 2nd in his quarter and struggled having to run all the way through the tape.
He needs top 4 in his semi and though he is lucky that Gay and Chambers both withdrew (along with others), I still don’t see him making it easy (though it is now a possibility) and a bronze is pretty much out of the question IMO.
He will be beaten by Spearmon and Mullings in his heat and I think the host of others will be right there with him, so it is a toss up for what else happens.[/quote]
If you watched him run you would have noticed that he got 20.40, an easy second and .08 in front of Paul Hession (who will also likely make the final also). I agree that Tyson would burn him, but Chambers? Haha. Keep dreaming. His PB doesn’t even equal Guliyev’s SB, not even close. Chambers has only run 20.31, a time even Paul Hession has bested on numerous occasions. I also agree that Spearmon will burn him. And of coarse Usain Bolt. I think that Mullings and Alonso Edward will certainly be close to Guliev and Crawford, but so far I’ve named 6 people (Bolt, Spearmon, Crawford, Guliyev, Edward, Mullings). A final has 8 people. The last two spots on the final may go to Brendan Christian and Paul Hession. I think Robert Hering will barely miss out on the final with a time in the high 20.3’s or low 20.40s. Emanuel Callander will also barely miss the final. But in conclusion, Guliyev is certainly a medal contender, and you singling him out when I named him is nothing short of racism.
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[quote author="speedfreak1" date="1250635623"][quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250635545"][quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250634820"]The 200m semi next? or final?
Both tomorrow I believe, for men.[/quote]
Final is thursday, semi tomorrow.[/quote]
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Glad you agree. Aikeens-Ayreety’s coach is the relay coach, ask him.
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Christ, drop the White power crap Jake. Its not racism. Its using logic and experience to see that Guliyev is not tested through rounds, does not have a history at the World stage while competing against competition that does, and he is competing against more than 8 people who have PR’s better than him.
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250635952"][quote author="speedfreak1" date="1250635623"][quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250635545"][quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250634820"]The 200m semi next? or final?
Both tomorrow I believe, for men.[/quote]
Final is thursday, semi tomorrow.[/quote]
Are you still not in the relay Williamson looks like poop now and Aikeens-Ayreety is always slower than you?[/quote]
Glad you agree. Aikeens-Ayreety’s coach is the relay coach, ask him.[/quote]
Politics in track is such BS. You deserve to be on it man.
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We all knew it would happen… :sick:
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We all knew it would happen… :sick:
[url=https://www.ard.ndr.de/berlin2009/doping190.html]Doping rule violation[/url].
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Edit- you and your damn ninja posting, beating me by seconds.
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Christ, drop the White power crap Jake. Its not racism. Its using logic and experience to see that Guliyev is not tested through rounds, does not have a history at the World stage while competing against competition that does, and he is competing against more than 8 people who have PR’s better than him.
Actually 6 runners have faster PBs than him, and even less with better SBs. Other than Bolt, there is nobody more than .06 faster than Guliyev. Not to mention, Guliyev is caucasion, but isn’t even European. He’s from Azerbaijan.
Davan brought up race when I tried to give a detailed analysis of the finals for fun, which was supposed to be lighthearted. Here is what Davan said after my predictions of Bolt, Spearmon, Guliyev, Crawford, Edward, Mullings, and Hession in the finals along with other predictions:
“My predictions
1. Wariner loses 400m, again. Takes 2nd yet again. The time is nothing special (high 43 at best) and Jeremy doesn’t break 44.2 in the final.
2. Guliyev doesn’t make 200m final.
3. Sanya finally wins 400m title
4. Gillick doesn’t get a medal nor does he make the final.
5. Crawford takes home hardware yet again.” -DavanDo you see a certain trend? Davan only pointed out the white people I listed, and also said my fascination with “decent” white sprinters is scary. I also predicted Sanya Richards would win, and was correct. Davan’s predictions and personal opinion is obviously that white men will not/ can’t do well, even when the stats are in their favor. Guliyev is progressing fine throught the rounds, and has won many races in times of 20.04, 10.08. 10.16. 20.40 (jogging), and 20.41. My predictions have people of all races based on times, and COMPETITION, while Davan is the only person to single out a certain race deliberately. And I need to cut the “white power”? Not to mention, although this could discredit everything I’ve said in current politically correct America, what is wrong with being proud of your own race, or is it only wrong if you are white?
And Speadfreak1, that sucks! You beat him fair and square. The UK needs better qualification rules, such as the TOP 3 always qualify for the individual 100, and the top 4 in the National Championships always are on the relay team. Not to mention Chambers shouldn’t even be running, he’s already showed he doesn’t care about the sport anyway.
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You know Davan is white, right?
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You know Davan is white, right?
Honestly, I could’ve guessed. I will also venture to guess he is American, watches almost exclusively African Americans on televison in the NFL and NBA, and believes that there is some genetic disadvantage he has, and feels sorry for the horrible atrocities of his forefathers. What’s new?
I try to post on a track forum about track, with specific numbers and supporting evidence, and all I get for a response is “you know Davan is white, right?” What he hell does that have to do with anything? You know what, it figures. You ask any American white person what the most athletic race is, and the anwser is always black. You ask the same about IQ, and then and only then do people bring up socio economic factors.
For anybody’s information I did not start this discussion on this thread. I am just ansering people honestly, and will not discuss this unless the topic arises. I said Guliyev would make the final, and has a chance to medal. Sue me.
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You’re too damn defensive when confronted and offensive in all of the wrong areas.
As per your conclusion about Americans, how is your conclusion about white any less racist than what you accuse Davan of?
I see no trend in Davan’s predictions except for solid reasoning.
Crawford has a history of coming through in big meets.
Sanya has been #1 for years now and just slipped up in the final of the olympics.
Guliyev could make the final, but to think he will medal is a stretch. There is better and more tested talent.
Gillick is the only one I think has the shot at medaling, but he hasn’t bettered himself since his April run and that doesn’t bode well for athletes this far into the season.Its not racism, its using logic and history
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[quote author="davan" date="1250640111"][quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250634616"]Lol, Davan said Guliev would not make the finals. My prediction yesterday was that Bolt and Spearmon would go 1 and 2, and Crawford and Guliyev would go for bronze. It is certainly shaping up that way. It will be interesting to see how Hession will do also, I believe 7th or 8th place.
Like I said, he won’t make the final. He was lucky to be in the easiest heat, run >21, and make it. He took 2nd in his quarter and struggled having to run all the way through the tape.
He needs top 4 in his semi and though he is lucky that Gay and Chambers both withdrew (along with others), I still don’t see him making it easy (though it is now a possibility) and a bronze is pretty much out of the question IMO.
He will be beaten by Spearmon and Mullings in his heat and I think the host of others will be right there with him, so it is a toss up for what else happens.[/quote]
If you watched him run you would have noticed that he got 20.40, an easy second and .08 in front of Paul Hession (who will also likely make the final also). I agree that Tyson would burn him, but Chambers? Haha. Keep dreaming. His PB doesn’t even equal Guliyev’s SB, not even close. Chambers has only run 20.31, a time even Paul Hession has bested on numerous occasions. I also agree that Spearmon will burn him. And of coarse Usain Bolt. I think that Mullings and Alonso Edward will certainly be close to Guliev and Crawford, but so far I’ve named 6 people (Bolt, Spearmon, Crawford, Guliyev, Edward, Mullings). A final has 8 people. The last two spots on the final may go to Brendan Christian and Paul Hession. I think Robert Hering will barely miss out on the final with a time in the high 20.3’s or low 20.40s. Emanuel Callander will also barely miss the final. But in conclusion, Guliyev is certainly a medal contender, and you singling him out when I named him is nothing short of racism.[/quote]
Guliyev has gone under 20.40 how many times? People hanging onto this crazy PB he ran and hasn’t approached since. Reminds me of his 100m PB that he followed up with a whopping one run under 10.2 and plenty well slower.
I am not singling him out. You made this prediction before he was known that numerous individuals with better PBs and SBs and more experience pulled out. I will stick to it, but acknowledge that because people have dropped out (Gay, Chambers, Ndure, Phiri, etc.) he has a decent chance of taking one of the last spots in the final. I still think it’ll be tough and he has 0 chance of getting a medal.
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[quote author="Josh Hurlebaus" date="1250643850"]You know Davan is white, right?
Honestly, I could’ve guessed. I will also venture to guess he is American, watches almost exclusively African Americans on televison in the NFL and NBA, and believes that there is some genetic disadvantage he has, and feels sorry for the horrible atrocities of his forefathers. What’s new?[/quote] I don’t know of any exact genetic disadvantage I may have and I’ll worry about that when I am done improving :). The fact that there is likely a genetic difference on the group level does not mean that there cannot be anomalies and outliers within each group. It is probably more likely for a short sprint outlier to be West African, but there is always going to be a chance of it in other populations, so I can’t worry too much about it. If you knew much, you’d have figured that one out.
I try to post on a track forum about track, with specific numbers and supporting evidence, and all I get for a response is “you know Davan is white, right?” What he hell does that have to do with anything? You know what, it figures. You ask any American white person what the most athletic race is, and the anwser is always black. You ask the same about IQ, and then and only then do people bring up socio economic factors.
This topic has been covered numerous times, but I’ll entertain this again for a moment. Even if you wanted to insinuate that socioeconomic factors (or cultural or environmental or whatever else) were not factors for some small differences noted in IQ between different groups, what do you suppose people do with such information? If you are an outlier African-American, do you presume you cannot be intelligent? If you’re Jake Summer, do you assume you aren’t a moron just because you’re white? Important questions to ask yourself.
For anybody’s information I did not start this discussion on this thread. I am just ansering people honestly, and will not discuss this unless the topic arises. I said Guliyev would make the final, and has a chance to medal. Sue me.
You make ridiculous predictions about white sprinters everywhere. It is becoming annoying/
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I think they will both make their finals too Thomas Griffin. Hession will finish toward the end, but for a small country like Ireland, that would be something. I think he will be the 4th qualifier of hear 2. Of the two semifinal heats in the 200, here are my qualifiers:
Heat 1: 1 Usain Bolt, 2 Shawn Crawford, 3 Alonso edward, 4 Brendan Christian/ Robert Hering
Heat 2: 1 Wallace Spearmon, 2 Steve Mullings, 3 Ramil Guliyev, 4 Paul Hession/ Emmanuel CallanderIn that exact order. Most likely Hering and Callander will barely miss out of the finals.
For the 400:
Heat 1: Jeremy Wariner, David Gillick, Leslie Djhone (q)
Heat 2: LaShwan Merritt, Renny Quow, Matryn Rooney (q)
Heat 3:Chria Brown, Tabarie Henry, Robert Tobin (q)Two of the (q)s will qualify by time. Leslie will be the first q, and Tobin or Rooney will be the 2nd.
And Davan, these predictions are anything but ridiculous. Wait and see.
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Go Gillick and Hession….nothing to do with colour, just little ol Ireland, with zero facilities and constant pissing rain and cold, producing two sprinters with the possibility of making finals in sprints would be a big deal for the track community here.
Gillick has actually trained at Loughborough university for a few years now with some of the best facilities in europe. But still go Gillo!
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I would love Hession to make finals. I was rooting for him last year too.
I didn’t watch the quarters (only Bolts), I had to run off for an interview. How did Connaughton DQ?
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[quote author="Tomas Griffin" date="1250647264"]Go Gillick and Hession….nothing to do with colour, just little ol Ireland, with zero facilities and constant pissing rain and cold, producing two sprinters with the possibility of making finals in sprints would be a big deal for the track community here.
Gillick has actually trained at Loughborough university for a few years now with some of the best facilities in europe. But still go Gillo![/quote]
Interested to know where the sudden surge of Irish athletes have come from. (Race walker silver medalist included). The environment doesn’t encourage much activity outdoors (indoor activity involves plenty of good ale). Rugby team’s been doing real well. I know a bit of research has been going around the universities there.
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[quote author="Owen" date="1250651313"][quote author="Tomas Griffin" date="1250647264"]Go Gillick and Hession….nothing to do with colour, just little ol Ireland, with zero facilities and constant pissing rain and cold, producing two sprinters with the possibility of making finals in sprints would be a big deal for the track community here.
Gillick has actually trained at Loughborough university for a few years now with some of the best facilities in europe. But still go Gillo![/quote]
Interested to know where the sudden surge of Irish athletes have come from. (Race walker silver medalist included). The environment doesn’t encourage much activity outdoors (indoor activity involves plenty of good ale). Rugby team’s been doing real well. I know a bit of research has been going around the universities there.
What gives? Where has the inspiration come from?[/quote]Luck of the Irish.
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I think they will both make their finals too Thomas Griffin. Hession will finish toward the end, but for a small country like Ireland, that would be something. I think he will be the 4th qualifier of hear 2. Of the two semifinal heats in the 200, here are my qualifiers:
Heat 1: 1 Usain Bolt, 2 Shawn Crawford, 3 Alonso edward, 4 Brendan Christian/ Robert Hering
Heat 2: 1 Wallace Spearmon, 2 Steve Mullings, 3 Ramil Guliyev, 4 Paul Hession/ Emmanuel CallanderIn that exact order. Most likely Hering and Callander will barely miss out of the finals.
For the 400:
Heat 1: Jeremy Wariner, David Gillick, Leslie Djhone (q)
Heat 2: LaShwan Merritt, Renny Quow, Matryn Rooney (q)
Heat 3:Chria Brown, Tabarie Henry, Robert Tobin (q)Two of the (q)s will qualify by time. Leslie will be the first q, and Tobin or Rooney will be the 2nd.
And Davan, these predictions are anything but ridiculous. Wait and see.
Jake your predictions are interesting. Not disagreeing, just saying they are interesting. Anyway, here’s mine, in order of predicted finish.
200m
Heat 1: Bolt, Crawford, Edward, Christian……No way Hering makes final. It would be great if he did, being in front of his hometown German fans, but we’d be talking about a HUGE PB for him to do so.
Heat 2: Spearmon, Guliyev (Jake, I am a believer), Mullings, Clark……Charles Clark is ready for a breakthrough. He was always 2nd fiddle to Walter Dix at Florida St. I just think it’s his turn to come up big.
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How about the men’s 400m hurdles!
It was awesome that Clement won, he seems like a real good dude. Kinda hoping he’ll deliver on his full potential one of these days. I’m absolutely sure he’s capable of running 46’s.
But probably more impressive is the 4th place finisher,, Jehue Gordon of Trinidad and Tabago. Kid (yes, KID) set a NR of 48.26…at 17 years of age. 17! Perhaps he’s the next big thing. Only o.o3 seconds behind Jackson who got bronze.
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250647988"]I think they will both make their finals too Thomas Griffin. Hession will finish toward the end, but for a small country like Ireland, that would be something. I think he will be the 4th qualifier of hear 2. Of the two semifinal heats in the 200, here are my qualifiers:
Heat 1: 1 Usain Bolt, 2 Shawn Crawford, 3 Alonso edward, 4 Brendan Christian/ Robert Hering
Heat 2: 1 Wallace Spearmon, 2 Steve Mullings, 3 Ramil Guliyev, 4 Paul Hession/ Emmanuel CallanderIn that exact order. Most likely Hering and Callander will barely miss out of the finals.
For the 400:
Heat 1: Jeremy Wariner, David Gillick, Leslie Djhone (q)
Heat 2: LaShwan Merritt, Renny Quow, Matryn Rooney (q)
Heat 3:Chria Brown, Tabarie Henry, Robert Tobin (q)Two of the (q)s will qualify by time. Leslie will be the first q, and Tobin or Rooney will be the 2nd.
And Davan, these predictions are anything but ridiculous. Wait and see.
Jake your predictions are interesting. Not disagreeing, just saying they are interesting. Anyway, here’s mine, in order of predicted finish.
200m
Heat 1: Bolt, Crawford, Edward, Christian……No way Hering makes final. It would be great if he did, being in front of his hometown German fans, but we’d be talking about a HUGE PB for him to do so.
Heat 2: Spearmon, Guliyev (Jake, I am a believer), Mullings, Clark……Charles Clark is ready for a breakthrough. He was always 2nd fiddle to Walter Dix at Florida St. I just think it’s his turn to come up big.
400m
Heat 1: Wariner, Djhone
Heat 2: Merritt, Quow, Collazo(q)
Heat 3: Henry, Chambers, Larry(q)[/quote]I like it. It just needs a tad more Irish.
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Nobody here commented on the field events. Both Christian Cantwell and Phillips Idowu upset Tomasz Majewski and Nelson Evora, respectively, in the shot put and triple jump with season leading marks! 22.03 shot put and 17.73 triple jump. The high jump will be very interesting. I think the high jump will be much like the prefontaine classic, with Ivan Ukhov winning in 2.35ish. The other two medals could go to anybody though.
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Thomas will no height is my guess…
Idowu’s jump was amazing, he missed the board and the effective distance of that jump was 17.93m. Pretty great…
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Even more exciting than the high jump I think will be the long jump. There are so many good jumpers this year. Saladino, Phillips, Makoena, Bayer, Tsatoumas, Rutherford, Watt, Tomlinson, Lapierre, Sdiri….We’re gonna see some monster jumps. Saladino vs. Phillips should make for even 8.6 or better Gold. And with Bayer you never know….If he repeats Torino again the whole stadium will go absolutely nuts. And I felt bad for Tsatoumas last year in Beijing, who opened with 8.27 yet fouled three times in the final. There is no way to predict who will win this, which makes this event so fun to watch!
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Jeremy: Bolt 1.93 tall and 76 Kg (that is just off IAAF bio and who knows when that was from)
Josh: Connaughton was DQed w 163.3 that’s our old friend “lane violation” (particularly: must run in assigned lane throughout duration of race) it will be tough finding out exactly where, sad in a way both the placement (2nd in heat) and time 20.60 would have been enough to go next round though it was shown as SB before it was taken down so not sure how much more there was…FYI: the story here in Canada has been they (Smellie, Connaughton, Effah, Barnett) were primarily at Worlds for the 4×100 (they should make the final and that is what they qualified for first during the past qualification period) and that they made standards for the individual events later in the season.
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Speaking as someone with no coordination, the video of feet amazes me, hammer throwers and triple jumpers in particular and the way top high jumpers and vaulters sort of wrap themselves around the bar but “we” have been sort of ignoring the field events.
All of the scratches today…anyone know why Ennis dropped out of womens’ hurdles?
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250641210"][quote author="davan" date="1250640111"][quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250634616"]Lol, Davan said Guliev would not make the finals. My prediction yesterday was that Bolt and Spearmon would go 1 and 2, and Crawford and Guliyev would go for bronze. It is certainly shaping up that way. It will be interesting to see how Hession will do also, I believe 7th or 8th place.
Like I said, he won’t make the final. He was lucky to be in the easiest heat, run >21, and make it. He took 2nd in his quarter and struggled having to run all the way through the tape.
He needs top 4 in his semi and though he is lucky that Gay and Chambers both withdrew (along with others), I still don’t see him making it easy (though it is now a possibility) and a bronze is pretty much out of the question IMO.
He will be beaten by Spearmon and Mullings in his heat and I think the host of others will be right there with him, so it is a toss up for what else happens.[/quote]
If you watched him run you would have noticed that he got 20.40, an easy second and .08 in front of Paul Hession (who will also likely make the final also). I agree that Tyson would burn him, but Chambers? Haha. Keep dreaming. His PB doesn’t even equal Guliyev’s SB, not even close. Chambers has only run 20.31, a time even Paul Hession has bested on numerous occasions. I also agree that Spearmon will burn him. And of coarse Usain Bolt. I think that Mullings and Alonso Edward will certainly be close to Guliev and Crawford, but so far I’ve named 6 people (Bolt, Spearmon, Crawford, Guliyev, Edward, Mullings). A final has 8 people. The last two spots on the final may go to Brendan Christian and Paul Hession. I think Robert Hering will barely miss out on the final with a time in the high 20.3’s or low 20.40s. Emanuel Callander will also barely miss the final. But in conclusion, Guliyev is certainly a medal contender, and you singling him out when I named him is nothing short of racism.[/quote]
Guliyev has gone under 20.40 how many times? People hanging onto this crazy PB he ran and hasn’t approached since. Reminds me of his 100m PB that he followed up with a whopping one run under 10.2 and plenty well slower.
I am not singling him out. You made this prediction before he was known that numerous individuals with better PBs and SBs and more experience pulled out. I will stick to it, but acknowledge that because people have dropped out (Gay, Chambers, Ndure, Phiri, etc.) he has a decent chance of taking one of the last spots in the final. I still think it’ll be tough and he has 0 chance of getting a medal.[/quote]
He came to universal attention when he ran 10.08 and 20.41 on the same day. Later, at the World Youths, he just ran the 200, progressed through the heats much like he is doing now, and ran 20.04. Then at the European Juniors he ran 20.33 and 10.16 after a half dozen rounds. Now, he has ran 20.40 to qualify for the 200 semi. The only major championship he ever ran just the 200 in he ran 20.04, and with no competition. A sub 20 is likely.
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Jeremy: Bolt 1.93 tall and 76 Kg (that is just off IAAF bio and who knows when that was from
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What is with the men hurdling?
Robles is “obviously” injured (even announcer pointed out he is not fully extending his lead leg)
It was the 4th heat before there was a winning time that nearly all to the next round should be capable of at this level (13.3x)
If you get a chance, try to find an overhead view of Shamar Sands…he is all over his lane
Kiss set a national record but so far, according to what is posted re: official results he is still moving to the next round BUT if you see a front view he was in David Payne’s lane as they were going into each flight at least 4x and on hurdle #10 his whole hip was actually over the lane line [I am guessing they will do nothing as it appeared not to effect Payne but if it were me and the body next to me kept inching closer and closer (Payne had to be very focused as Kiss was doing this just in front of him the whole race, so congrats to him) I would file protest…I don’t know if it is normal for him but Payne was not running in the middle of his lane so maybe it did effect him.
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You’re right, he made the final. My main prediction is that he doesn’t medal, but I went out on a limb on his not making the final at all. He was the last qualifier, so I was close. A few hundredths saved him.
Guliyev showed that if the big boys didn’t pull out, he wouldn’t be in the final. It is impressive he made it, but I can’t help but think Gay, Dzingai (sp), Ndure, Chambers, Martina, etc. could have all been at least in the spot. He won’t take a medal, as I said. He needs more time.
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“My predictions
1. Wariner loses 400m, again. Takes 2nd yet again. The time is nothing special (high 43 at best) and Jeremy doesn’t break 44.2 in the final.
2. Guliyev doesn’t make 200m final.
3. Sanya finally wins 400m title
4. Gillick doesn’t get a medal nor does he make the final.
5. Crawford takes home hardware yet again.” -DavanHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Hahahahahah. Haha. Ha.
Guliyev and Gillick both in their finals! 20.28 and 44.88! Both in a position to do very well, and medal if they’re lucky! I’m not gonna lie it feels good to be right.
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You’re right, he made the final. My main prediction is that he doesn’t medal, but I went out on a limb on his not making the final at all. He was the last qualifier, so I was close. A few hundredths saved him.
Guliyev showed that if the big boys didn’t pull out, he wouldn’t be in the final. It is impressive he made it, but I can’t help but think Gay, Dzingai (sp), Ndure, Chambers, Martina, etc. could have all been at least in the spot. He won’t take a medal, as I said. He needs more time.
False. Gulyev qualified in 20.28, seeded 6th ahead of Shawn Crawford and David Alerte. But that bronze is up for grabs. And by the way, I made my predictions after Gay dropped out, because he is the only sprinter who pulled out that could break 20.5, let alone make the final.
And Gillick is also seeded 6th, ahead of Chris Brown and Tabarie Henry. I want you to apologize for contesting my lighthearted predictions when they were more factual than anything you stated. Next time you can disagree with them, but you said they were “ridiculous” and that my obsession with “decent” white sprinters is “scary.” You are ridiculous.
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Ireland has 2 finalists in the sprints! David Gillick and Derval O’ Rourke. Only 6 million people on that island! It makes you wonder why such a small country, the size of some cities, is doing so well in sprints. How the heck is Ireland beating Russia, Italy, and China? Even Jamaica only has 2.8 minnilion people. Funny how that happens.
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[quote author="davan" date="1250721747"]You’re right, he made the final. My main prediction is that he doesn’t medal, but I went out on a limb on his not making the final at all. He was the last qualifier, so I was close. A few hundredths saved him.
Guliyev showed that if the big boys didn’t pull out, he wouldn’t be in the final. It is impressive he made it, but I can’t help but think Gay, Dzingai (sp), Ndure, Chambers, Martina, etc. could have all been at least in the spot. He won’t take a medal, as I said. He needs more time.
False. Gulyev qualified in 20.28, seeded 6th ahead of Shawn Crawford and David Alerte. But that bronze is up for grabs. And by the way, I made my predictions after Gay dropped out, because he is the only sprinter who pulled out that could break 20.5, let alone make the final.
And Gillick is also seeded 6th, ahead of Chris Brown and Tabarie Henry. I want you to apologize for contesting my lighthearted predictions when they were more factual than anything you stated. Next time you can disagree with them, but you said they were “ridiculous” and that my obsession with “decent” white sprinters is “scary.” You are ridiculous.[/quote]
He was last (qualifier) in his heat. Gillick was the last qualifier on time. There is a reason why people get automatic qualification regardless of time and have lane preferences over time.
Your predictions were that they would medal (3rd or 4th at worst). We will have to wait and see if your predictions are correct.
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“My predictions
1. Wariner loses 400m, again. Takes 2nd yet again. The time is nothing special (high 43 at best) and Jeremy doesn’t break 44.2 in the final.
2. Guliyev doesn’t make 200m final.
3. Sanya finally wins 400m title
4. Gillick doesn’t get a medal nor does he make the final.
5. Crawford takes home hardware yet again.” -DavanYa, I’m gonna keep posting this to remind you that no matter how slightly wrong my predictions turn out, you were dead wrong. Both Guliyev and Gillick made their finals, Guliyev being .02 away from being seeded 4th. Look at how close this is…
20.08 Usain Bolt
20.12 Wallace Spearmon
20.22 Alonso Edward
20.26 Steve Mullings
20.27 Charles Clark
20.28 Ramil Guliyev 😉
20.35 Shawn Crawford
20.45 David AlerteAs you can see, based on these times, the bronze medal will most likely go to Edward, Mullings, Guliyev, or Clark. Again, my prediction of Guliyev for third, is still more accurate than your prediction of Crawford. We shall indeed see how this plays out (Bolt and Spearmon 1 and 2 no doubt), but Guliyev making the finals of the 200m at 19 years old in a time of 20.28 is already an acheivement in itself. One I predicted, and one you criticize me for. Indeed I do not have telepathy, but you seem to be the one obsessed with a certain race, and not I contrary to what you believe.
In the 400, Gillick is in a bit more trouble. It will be interesting to see who has enough gas left in them after that tough 1st semi heat. Lane assignments will be huge as well in both these events.
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Is tyson gay not in the final?? what happened
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Tyson dropped out of the 200m before the heats due to his hurt groin.
He wants to run the 4x100m, so he’s saving his legs for that.
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It takes a nice guy to do what Tyson Gay did. He actually cares about his counrty and team. Although, my track coach is convinced he’s as dirty as Bolt, and he was a world class 400m runner at one point. I wonder what country will screw up the relay this time. I hope Canada does well, because that is their event this year. It’s their equivalent to our 400m. Canada likes hurdles too.
The womens hurdles final was awesome. Derval O’ Rourke came in fouth in a NR 12.67 seconds. Now Gillick has to help put Ireland on the map too. 6 million people….A Jamaican won, and they have 2.8 mil. Track in very entrenched there though.
200m final tomorrow. And Guliyev is in it, as I and another poster had predicted.
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Lane draws for the final:
1 Ramil Guliyev [AZERBAIJAN] AZE 20.04 20.04
2 David Alerte [FRANCE] FRA 20.45 20.33
3 Steve Mullings [JAMAICA] JAM 20.01 20.01
4 Wallace Spearmon [UNITED STATES] USA 19.98 19.65
5 Usain Bolt [JAMAICA] JAM 19.59 19.30
6 Alonso Edward [PANAMA] PAN 20.00 20.00
7 Charles Clark [UNITED STATES] USA 20.27 20.22
8 Shawn Crawford [UNITED STATES] USA 20.19 19.79Good for Spearmon to have Bolt outside him, hopefully will pull him through the 1st 100m quicker then usual.
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Agree with Spearmon’s lane draw. Maybe we’ll see him back under 19.8 again.
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Lane draws for the final:
1 Ramil Guliyev [AZERBAIJAN] AZE 20.04 20.04
2 David Alerte [FRANCE] FRA 20.45 20.33
3 Steve Mullings [JAMAICA] JAM 20.01 20.01
4 Wallace Spearmon [UNITED STATES] USA 19.98 19.65
5 Usain Bolt [JAMAICA] JAM 19.59 19.30
6 Alonso Edward [PANAMA] PAN 20.00 20.00
7 Charles Clark [UNITED STATES] USA 20.27 20.22
8 Shawn Crawford [UNITED STATES] USA 20.19 19.79Good for Spearmon to have Bolt outside him, hopefully will pull him through the 1st 100m quicker then usual.
I agree that sucks for Edward, Clark, and Crawford, who are all going to be trailing Bolt by 50m. I predict this after knowing all 8 finallists:
1.Bolt 19.35
2.Spearmon 19.80
3.Guliyev 19.95
4.Mullings 19.97
5.Edward 20.00
6.Crawford 20.13
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[quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250732658"]Lane draws for the final:
1 Ramil Guliyev [AZERBAIJAN] AZE 20.04 20.04
2 David Alerte [FRANCE] FRA 20.45 20.33
3 Steve Mullings [JAMAICA] JAM 20.01 20.01
4 Wallace Spearmon [UNITED STATES] USA 19.98 19.65
5 Usain Bolt [JAMAICA] JAM 19.59 19.30
6 Alonso Edward [PANAMA] PAN 20.00 20.00
7 Charles Clark [UNITED STATES] USA 20.27 20.22
8 Shawn Crawford [UNITED STATES] USA 20.19 19.79Good for Spearmon to have Bolt outside him, hopefully will pull him through the 1st 100m quicker then usual.
I agree that sucks for Edward, Clark, and Crawford, who are all going to be trailing Bolt by 50m. I predict this after knowing all 8 finallists:
1.Bolt 19.35
2.Spearmon 19.80
3.Guliyev 19.95
4.Mullings 19.97
5.Edward 20.00
6.Crawford 20.13
7.Clark 20.23
8.Alerte 20.49[/quote]You really expect Guliyev to do that in lane 1? What’s the fastest ever lane 1 time, 20.07? 20.01? something like that right….
It’s pretty obvious to me that the top 4 finishers are in lane 3,4,5 and 6…
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Ireland has 2 finalists in the sprints! David Gillick and Derval O’ Rourke. Only 6 million people on that island! It makes you wonder why such a small country, the size of some cities, is doing so well in sprints. How the heck is Ireland beating Russia, Italy, and China? Even Jamaica only has 2.8 million people. Funny how that happens.
Correction – Population of Ireland is just 4 million, we have no real indoor facility despite crap weather, we have approx 12 outdoor tracks on the island, however we have a great athletics tradition , but mailnly in longer distances, For Example Eamonn Coughlan in the 80s world indoor record holder in the mile, marcus O Sullivan, Ray Flynn, in the past we exported alot of our athletes to the USA through Scholarship and still do, but again mainly long distance guys. Now some athletes such as Gillick and Deval O Rourke double base themselves between England (where facilities are good) and Ireland where family support and government financial support is provided for the true Elite Athletes in the country. ( government funding of 50k per annum)
Ireland has always recognised Sporting greatness , We have native sports only played on the island, ( Gaelic Football and Hurling), where speed, agility, and explosivness are key, The games are non professional yet played infront of crowds of up to 80,000. These sports are played in every Village and town from a very young age, and from there talent for athletics can be found. Unfortunatly there is a lot of track and field talent that stays in the gaelic sports, this year the Governing body of these Gaelic Games is considering putting in an athletics track in the 80,000 seater stadium that hosts the gaelic sports, so perhaps we might even have more Gillicks, Hesions, and O Rourkes in the future when our national sport embraces athletics.We are very proud tonight of Hession, Gillick and Derval O Rourke.
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You really expect Guliyev to do that in lane 1? What’s the fastest ever lane 1 time, 20.07? 20.01? something like that right….
It’s pretty obvious to me that the top 4 finishers are in lane 3,4,5 and 6…
The american guy that finished 2nd behind borzov in 1972 ran from lane 2. He was a “favourite” though.
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As Hamish said, [quote]“Good for Spearmon to have Bolt outside him, hopefully will pull him through the 1st 100m quicker then usual.”
Thoughts on it being “better” to chase or be chased (run scared?)?[/quote]
I believe it depends on the athlete. Spearmon often seems asleep in the 1st 100m, but he’s gonna have the gold-bait right in his sight and maybe he’ll just go crazy around the bend. I think its ok for Crawford to be in the outer lane since he’s got a lot of experience in big races and has run well from that wide out before I think. He usually runs the bend aggressively anyway so it shouldn’t affect his game plan much.
I think Guliyev will struggle in lane 1, perhaps if he’d been in lane 4 he could’ve pushed hitting the high 19’s with the adrenalin of running directly inside Bolt in a WC final but running out of lane 1 in the 200m is just asking too much. I’m still going with my top 3 from before, Bolt-Spearmon-Crawford and I think Alonso will finish 4th, with Mullings 5th. Then probally Clark or Guliyev and finally Alerte.
Bolt will break his WR if he runs through the tape and the conditions are decent. Spearmon will approach his 19.65 PB, and Crawford will run 19.7/.8’s. Alonso and Mullings will be in the 19.9’s.
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I don’t know how much other news sources are reporting this but Canadian sources have mentioned several times that Lopes-Schliep (W 100mH, silver) and she confirmed, that she was taken for drug testing during the 2 hours between the semis and finals.
Apparently there was a mix up with either lane numbers or bib numbers (depending on who the source is) as that is the way they determine who will be tested in rounds other than finals. Given that, her performance is even more impressive, within her capabilities yes, but after having your prep completely disrupted… -
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I don’t know how much other news sources are reporting this but Canadian sources have mentioned several times that Lopes-Schliep (W 100mH, silver) and she confirmed, that she was taken for drug testing during the 2 hours between the semis and finals.
Apparently there was a mix up with either lane numbers or bib numbers (depending on who the source is) as that is the way they determine who will be tested in rounds other than finals. Given that, her performance is even more impressive, within her capabilities yes, but after having your prep completely disrupted…This wont be true. If selected for testing when you still have a race to run that day, you cannot be tested until after your final race. The drug testers at the WC will be among the top ones in the world, therefore they will have abided by this rule, surely.
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She was interviewed and confirmed it. Thats absolutely ridiculous and not professional at all that they did that to her.
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/amateur/story/2009/08/19/sp-doping-schlief.html
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It’s her own fault…have a history and expect that treatment…
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Nobody should be subject to that immediately prior to a race. Nothing can clear the body that fast that requires a test before the race rather than after.
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In the decathlon, Trey Hardee is having a phenomenal meet. He just cleared 5.20m in the PV which has been an event which was a struggle in the past. He has already notched 972 points in the event. That attempt already puts him at 7306 through seven events.
With a 60m Jav Toss – 739 and a 4:55 run in the 1500m – 589, puts him at 8634 for a PB. I think both are conservative numbers but doable numbers. Given the way he is going right now, I suspect that 8700 might be possible.
We will have to wait and see . . . .
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Yeah, Hardee is really spot on in the vault today
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Robles is done.
On a side note my fantasy team just got shat on again…
I feel bad. He ran while injured and is reminiscent of Liu Xiang last year
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Huge first jump by Phillips! 8.44
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We will see 9 meters tomorrow…
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Huge first jump by Phillips! 8.44
That jump looked good. Relaxed and his posture was excellent. I might have to agree with Nick that something big is coming!
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I was sure she tested positive in College or pro at some point…If i’m wrong oooops…but i seem to remember something…
Dwight is totally ready for it…Greg got lucky…not sure what’s wrong with the rest of them…
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Yeah, nothing fact actually, my fault…
It was just many people talking when i was in college…people from UN…
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Watching these Worlds and the suggestion by Josh as to how “no false start” will make it better for TV plus threads pondering how to improve the sport, I can not help but say “we” watch the second heat of the 5000m that is admittedly much slower than the first including the last 5 laps or so in their entirety plus an athlete finishing nearly 2 minutes behind the winner…all while long jump qualifying is going on and during those last laps NO cut backs to the long jumping or high jump finals.
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I’ll use this false start break to ask a stupid question.
Did Muna Lee somehow lose weight from last year?
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Melanie Walker 52.42. crazy.
The Jamaican’s are dominating this WC . . .
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Look how she finished her last two hurdles….
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19.19….ridiculus
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Usains only problem is he is winning by too much! I hope next year he takes the off year to try and break the 400m world record.
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Don’t even know what to say to that…
Wait a minute, Demus got beat? missed that…that sucks…
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Form question for Bolt
Watching the head on and top down views of the 100 and 200, Bolt has slightly more side to side head swaying than everyone else when at top speed.
Is this just his personal running style and I’m looking too far into it? Or does it possibly have to do with him have greater hip oscillation resulting in a more powerful step down and stiffer toe off, and the head sway is just the result of that… or possibly its a cue he uses in order to create greater oscillation?
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Hardee just threw a PR in the Jav, I’m happy for him, finally showing up for the big meet.
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[quote author="Russell Zacharias (RussZHC)" date="1250748086"]As Hamish said, [quote]“Good for Spearmon to have Bolt outside him, hopefully will pull him through the 1st 100m quicker then usual.”
Thoughts on it being “better” to chase or be chased (run scared?)?[/quote]
I believe it depends on the athlete. Spearmon often seems asleep in the 1st 100m, but he’s gonna have the gold-bait right in his sight and maybe he’ll just go crazy around the bend. I think its ok for Crawford to be in the outer lane since he’s got a lot of experience in big races and has run well from that wide out before I think. He usually runs the bend aggressively anyway so it shouldn’t affect his game plan much.
I think Guliyev will struggle in lane 1, perhaps if he’d been in lane 4 he could’ve pushed hitting the high 19’s with the adrenalin of running directly inside Bolt in a WC final but running out of lane 1 in the 200m is just asking too much. I’m still going with my top 3 from before, Bolt-Spearmon-Crawford and I think Alonso will finish 4th, with Mullings 5th. Then probally Clark or Guliyev and finally Alerte.
Bolt will break his WR if he runs through the tape and the conditions are decent. Spearmon will approach his 19.65 PB, and Crawford will run 19.7/.8’s. Alonso and Mullings will be in the 19.9’s.[/quote]
Well Alonso destroyed my predicitons, but good for him. He’s a young – only 19. Wait a sec, damn! He misses destroying Bolt’s WJR by 3 weeks I think!
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Suarez had MASSIVE throw. 75+
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Hardee just threw a PR in the Jav, I’m happy for him, finally showing up for the big meet.
68.00, hell of a throw
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no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
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Haha of course we’re impressed. Not much to say about it other than WOW, however, lol
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If Hardee really hot-foots it through the 1500m, it looks like he might have a shot at the American Record. He’s had a pretty impressive meet.
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[quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
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Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…
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Trey Hardee! 8790!!!!!!
Awesome meet altogether and way to finish strong with a big jav and gutsy 1500m.
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Thats an insane score, hahah. He really turned it on for the WC
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The Cubans are going to be sick in the next few years. Suarez is going to be a legitamite WR contender when he is older and has refined a few more events.
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7 over 8400 !
I think so too Chad, did I understand the announcer correctly that all but one or two Cuban athletes at the Worlds are under 23 y.o.? Or were they just talking about the Deca…like someone said, 75m!? a few more years and a bit more size and that could become good enough for javelin specifically.
and you gotta give it to some like Brathwaite, really stepping up when it counts.
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The Cubans are going to be sick in the next few years. Suarez is going to be a legitamite WR contender when he is older and has refined a few more events.
He just needs to improve his 100, 110H times and long jump (he could use some more speed). But his javelin result is ….just wow…
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Does anyone know who is running for Jamaican 4×100 relay team? Is Bolt goin’ to set yet another WR?
ps: speedfreak1; are you in relay?
Im not, im merely a reserve!
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who is in the 4×100 relay pool for the U.S?
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i really think an american team of Trammell or rodgers to Spearmon to Crawford to Gay can challenge the jamaican squad. Especially if the rumor i have heard regarding powell having a sore groin is true.
A fresh Gay up against Bolt on a rolling leg is not a huge difference, up to 0.10 possibly i’d say.
Anyone who saw the 200m final today will agree apart from Bolt Crawford is probably the best bend runner there is! I beleive for all his weaknesses round the bend, Wallace has fantastic maximum speed and on a long backstraight can run with the big guns.
End of the day its all about the changeovers.
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i really think an american team of Trammell or rodgers to Spearmon to Crawford to Gay can challenge the jamaican squad. Especially if the rumor i have heard regarding powell having a sore groin is true.
A fresh Gay up against Bolt on a rolling leg is not a huge difference, up to 0.10 possibly i’d say.
Anyone who saw the 200m final today will agree apart from Bolt Crawford is probably the best bend runner there is! I beleive for all his weaknesses round the bend, Wallace has fantastic maximum speed and on a long backstraight can run with the big guns.
End of the day its all about the changeovers.
I agree I think thats the best team. I would probably put Trammell on lead-off over Rodgers
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i really think an american team of Trammell or rodgers to Spearmon to Crawford to Gay can challenge the jamaican squad. Especially if the rumor i have heard regarding powell having a sore groin is true.
A fresh Gay up against Bolt on a rolling leg is not a huge difference, up to 0.10 possibly i’d say.
Anyone who saw the 200m final today will agree apart from Bolt Crawford is probably the best bend runner there is! I beleive for all his weaknesses round the bend, Wallace has fantastic maximum speed and on a long backstraight can run with the big guns.
End of the day its all about the changeovers.
Agree completely, particularly RE Crawford and Spearmon. I think Crawford is the best bend runner of the best 200m dudes relative to his actual speed these days. He gave up no more then ~2m to Bolt around the bend, though he did have a slighter curve which would have helped, yet these days he would probably lose around 4m to Bolt in a hundy, and even when he was at his best he’d lose like 3m.
Spearmon is potentially as much of a beast as Gay, and nearly Bolt over 200m, if only he could dip below 10 in the 100m again, and do it consistently, so that he wasn’t giving up so much over the 1st 150m. But he reminds me what a classical 200m specialist should be like – when he isn’t walking the bend.
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Here’s a question that’s TOTALLY dipping under the radar, that I think everyone (especially those of us in the US) should be asking…
What the HELL are they doing down at Barton County Community College?!?!?!?!?
Ryan Braithwaite
Alonso Edward
Tabarie Henry
Steve MullingsDoes ANYONE know ANYTHING about their coach (Matt Kane), and, other than being (obviously) a super recruiter, what his training philosophies are like?
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Yeah, there really is nothing to say about 19.19… it wasn’t even fathomable before the olympics…
[quote author="Snoof" date="1250817230"][quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
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Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…[/quote]
Is there anyone else who believes that Bolt breaking world records like this might not be good for the sport? I feel pretty bad for Alonso Edward. 19.81…
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I haven’t heard anyone else think this…just me 🙂
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Here’s a question that’s TOTALLY dipping under the radar, that I think everyone (especially those of us in the US) should be asking…
What the HELL are they doing down at Barton County Community College?!?!?!?!?
Ryan Braithwaite
Alonso Edward
Tabarie Henry
Steve MullingsDoes ANYONE know ANYTHING about their coach (Matt Kane), and, other than being (obviously) a super recruiter, what his training philosophies are like?
Check out this page of their national champs they’ve had.
https://www.bartonccc.edu/sports/trackfield/HistoryRecords/nationalchampions.htmIts basically the WC/Oly all star list
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If Crawford hadn’t tied up so badly, that would have been a 19.6x. He was only ~2m down on Bolt at halfway.
Dec WR could go down in 2011/2012. There’ll be 4-5 people close, and you’d imagine one of them will have a PB-frenzy 2 days.
Question is “who”?
I like Clay next year. He still has a 9k score in him, as he’s not even 30 yet. His big scores have been at meets not set up for the deca. All he needs is a meet with someone close (Hardee, Suarez, etc) to force him to vault 5.20, Jav 74, and actually run a 1500.
Hardee is all of a sudden a real contender. Fix his discus and HJ and he’s better than Clay. (Plus he’s showed glimpses of excellence in both of those events!)
And Suarez is the real deal. Javelin is the most genetic of all the events, and he’s a natural. He can probably get past 80m, without it being a focus. If he sorted LJ (His final step is WAY long and costs him .3m +) he can pick up a lot of points.
Ashton Eaton is the next big deal in the deca. He’s far better than Clay at this stage, and while his Javelin is weak and will never be past 60-62m, he has a great deal of room for improvement in Shot and Discus (given his explosiveness). I predict he’ll break Hardee’s CR next year and be 8800+ by 2012.
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[quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250820491"]If Crawford hadn’t tied up so badly, that would have been a 19.6x. He was only ~2m down on Bolt at halfway.
Dec WR could go down in 2011/2012. There’ll be 4-5 people close, and you’d imagine one of them will have a PB-frenzy 2 days.
Question is “who”?
I like Clay next year. He still has a 9k score in him, as he’s not even 30 yet. His big scores have been at meets not set up for the deca. All he needs is a meet with someone close (Hardee, Suarez, etc) to force him to vault 5.20, Jav 74, and actually run a 1500.
Hardee is all of a sudden a real contender. Fix his discus and HJ and he’s better than Clay. (Plus he’s showed glimpses of excellence in both of those events!)
And Suarez is the real deal. Javelin is the most genetic of all the events, and he’s a natural. He can probably get past 80m, without it being a focus. If he sorted LJ (His final step is WAY long and costs him .3m +) he can pick up a lot of points.
Ashton Eaton is the next big deal in the deca. He’s far better than Clay at this stage, and while his Javelin is weak and will never be past 60-62m, he has a great deal of room for improvement in Shot and Discus (given his explosiveness). I predict he’ll break Hardee’s CR next year and be 8800+ by 2012.[/quote]
Yeh I agree completely, though I don’t have the personal experience with the events like yourself I must say. I think Clay definitely has it in him to keep nudging towards that WR, particularly like you said, if he has someone pushing him big time over the final few events, particularly the 15.
Hardee is the real deal no doubt. He wasn’t at his best in the HJ, and he should get better at that, lots of decathletes seem to keep improving and maintaining with the HJ. His 400m could definitely be better, with 10.4 speed, he could be running consistent 47.mid in dec’s. And the 15 could be better, something 4:3x which will also probably improve with age. And his discus was also off its best. Fix all that and he could easily challenge 9k.
All 3 cubans are legit as well. Saurez obviously, as people were saying, he just needs a little more speed to improve his 100, LJ, and 110h and he’s there. Garcia just needs work on his 400, LJ, and discus and he’s right up there too. Diaz has the speed and hops, he just needs to work on his throwing and hurdles a bit and he’s another contender. Whats more, all the Cubans are still youngsters.
Maurice Smith is perhaps getting on a little come 2012, but if he brought it altogether with a better LJ, and PV he’ll be 8’8/9s maybe.
Krauchanka is a definite prospect, he had a real poor WC’s, but he’s gotta be a favourite if he can maybe build a little strength and improve his throws. Outside of throwing, he is a potential WR athlete.
I agree with Eaton, another youngster, he’s in the same boat as Krauchanka, except he may have even more potential. His throws are very weak relatively atm, but if he can improve them at all he’ll keep Hardee very much on his toes in the future.
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Yeah, there really is nothing to say about 19.19… it wasn’t even fathomable before the olympics…
[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250817486"][quote author="Snoof" date="1250817230"][quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
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Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…[/quote]
Is there anyone else who believes that Bolt breaking world records like this might not be good for the sport? I feel pretty bad for Alonso Edward. 19.81…[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda agree. Bolt’s kinda made track and field history seem silly, he’s blown the whole game wide open. It’s kind of demoralizing for everyone else. Bolt has certainly brought some much needed good media attention back to the athletics scene, but he’s gone so far now he has sort of generated his own world. He’s effectively in the process of superseding the sport entirely, a one man empire, and if it crashes the sport will take a crippling blow as well. We’ve just got to hope it all plays out well. I hope Bolt realizes the extent of “hidden” pressure that is set firmly on his shoulders now. He’s both a beacon of light (maybe a tad too bright), but he’s also potentially a gaping chasm. Lets just hope he’s been playing a fair game, even when others don’t. He is an anomaly no matter what mind you, hopefully non-track maniacs understand that and limit their speculation and just enjoy the show and be attracted to the remainder of the sport whilst they’re at it.
Btw, not feeling ‘too’ sorry for Alonso Edward right now. Silver behind the GOAT in 19.81 at 19yo! Whose to say he won’t progress like Bolt, he could be giving him trouble at 2012. There’s certainly no reason to think he’s finished his progression at 19, even marginal improvements are gigantic steps for him from here on out. Him and Jehue Gordon could be some of the next big things.
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If Crawford hadn’t tied up so badly, that would have been a 19.6x. He was only ~2m down on Bolt at halfway.
The more I watch it, the more impressive Crawford’s 1st 150m is. He really didn’t give that much up to Bolt (relatively speaking – it was still 3-4m at 150), and had a 2m lead over everyone else (people whom eventually caught him). Pity is that he ran the race as a 150m at 100% and had very little left for 150->200.
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Crawford was .13 behind Bolt at 50m and .23 at the 100m
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Crawford was .13 behind Bolt at 50m and .23 at the 100m
Wow, cheers for that. Bolt still didn’t beat MJ’s 9.20 2nd 100m. But Wow, 9.92 around the bend… Yeah, Crawford’s 150 was serious business (excluding Bolt). Guliyev struggled real bad around that tight bend. Edwards had a very strong 2nd half, pretty much the same as Wallace, and Wallace always finishes like a train. Except for Mullings and Crawford, Bolt absolutely killed the field over the opening 50, geez…
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[quote author="Kendall Rackley" date="1250839712"]Yeah, there really is nothing to say about 19.19… it wasn’t even fathomable before the olympics…
[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250817486"][quote author="Snoof" date="1250817230"][quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
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Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…[/quote]
Is there anyone else who believes that Bolt breaking world records like this might not be good for the sport? I feel pretty bad for Alonso Edward. 19.81…[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda agree. Bolt’s kinda made track and field history seem silly, he’s blown the whole game wide open. It’s kind of demoralizing for everyone else. Bolt has certainly brought some much needed good media attention back to the athletics scene, but he’s gone so far now he has sort of generated his own world. He’s effectively in the process of superseding the sport entirely, a one man empire, and if it crashes the sport will take a crippling blow as well. We’ve just got to hope it all plays out well. I hope Bolt realizes the extent of “hidden” pressure that is set firmly on his shoulders now. He’s both a beacon of light (maybe a tad too bright), but he’s also potentially a gaping chasm. Lets just hope he’s been playing a fair game, even when others don’t. He is an anomaly no matter what mind you, hopefully non-track maniacs understand that and limit their speculation and just enjoy the show and be attracted to the remainder of the sport whilst they’re at it.
Btw, not feeling ‘too’ sorry for Alonso Edward right now. Silver behind the GOAT in 19.81 at 19yo! Whose to say he won’t progress like Bolt, he could be giving him trouble at 2012. There’s certainly no reason to think he’s finished his progression at 19, even marginal improvements are gigantic steps for him from here on out. Him and Jehue Gordon could be some of the next big things.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. It’s great that track is getting the media attention it deserves, but it’s being highlighted by Bolt entirely. I’m concerned about the “non-track maniacs” you mentioned who would probably go to a track meet and be disappointed if someone didn’t get sub 20.
When I meant about Alonso was that he wasn’t talked to that much for his performance. But I can also understand that a world record was just broken by a huge margin so he wouldn’t get his accolades. 19.81 at 19 is just… wow. I’m gonna watch out for this guy because Bolt didn’t even run that when he was 19… I don’t think.
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[quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250846791"][quote author="Kendall Rackley" date="1250839712"]Yeah, there really is nothing to say about 19.19… it wasn’t even fathomable before the olympics…
[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250817486"][quote author="Snoof" date="1250817230"][quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
Speechless……[/quote]
Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…[/quote]
Is there anyone else who believes that Bolt breaking world records like this might not be good for the sport? I feel pretty bad for Alonso Edward. 19.81…[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda agree. Bolt’s kinda made track and field history seem silly, he’s blown the whole game wide open. It’s kind of demoralizing for everyone else. Bolt has certainly brought some much needed good media attention back to the athletics scene, but he’s gone so far now he has sort of generated his own world. He’s effectively in the process of superseding the sport entirely, a one man empire, and if it crashes the sport will take a crippling blow as well. We’ve just got to hope it all plays out well. I hope Bolt realizes the extent of “hidden” pressure that is set firmly on his shoulders now. He’s both a beacon of light (maybe a tad too bright), but he’s also potentially a gaping chasm. Lets just hope he’s been playing a fair game, even when others don’t. He is an anomaly no matter what mind you, hopefully non-track maniacs understand that and limit their speculation and just enjoy the show and be attracted to the remainder of the sport whilst they’re at it.
Btw, not feeling ‘too’ sorry for Alonso Edward right now. Silver behind the GOAT in 19.81 at 19yo! Whose to say he won’t progress like Bolt, he could be giving him trouble at 2012. There’s certainly no reason to think he’s finished his progression at 19, even marginal improvements are gigantic steps for him from here on out. Him and Jehue Gordon could be some of the next big things.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. It’s great that track is getting the media attention it deserves, but it’s being highlighted by Bolt entirely. I’m concerned about the “non-track maniacs” you mentioned who would probably go to a track meet and be disappointed if someone didn’t get sub 20.
When I meant about Alonso was that he wasn’t talked to that much for his performance. But I can also understand that a world record was just broken by a huge margin so he wouldn’t get his accolades. 19.81 at 19 is just… wow. I’m gonna watch out for this guy because Bolt didn’t even run that when he was 19… I don’t think.[/quote]
Yeah, I watched the race again and I kind of see what you meant though. He got 2nd but he was miles back. But age is on his side, and Bolt only ran 19.88 as a non-junior 19yo. I think he’ll have his fair share of days in the sun one day, though you’re right again, he needs to be given some big hype for what he accomplished. But what is up with the 200m since like 05? The “event” itself is like on steroids lol. Everyone is breaking 20 secs these days, it was a WOW to run 19.9x in a champs a few years back, now it is an afterthought. To think 5 went sub 20, but Gay was missing (so it would’ve been 6), and if Carter ever gets back on the bandwagon and Martina and co, the next champs could have the entire field under 20 in the final… lol. I do hope Bolt keeps being challenged, maybe the human race is somehow evolving in the sprints (lmao thinking about it happening so suddenly, maybe its increased self-belief). If Bolt is challenged by the likes of Gay, Alonso, Spearmon, Carter, etc, etc over the coming years then track and field will definitely benefit big time. A big if though, but certainly possible in these crazy days.
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Crawford definitely went for it but I think it probably cost him a medal. If he would have throttled back just a little in the middle 100m I think he probably could have held on for bronze.
Yip, looking at the splits, both Crawford and Mullings decided to go all-or-nothing. They wanted to entertain the dream of giving Bolt a go (and well done I say) and so planned sprinting for 150 and praying for 50. I’m starting to wonder if Bolt is the guy they’re actually unknowingly praying too…
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So I just noticed that the top 2 headlines on CNN.com under the sports section (Sports Illustrated) are about Bolt’s performances at the Championships and Semenya’s potential dude naughty-bits.
When was the last time Track and Field got this much attention?
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You might be interested in…stride analysis – women’s 100m final
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Ashton Eaton is the next big deal in the deca. He’s far better than Clay at this stage, and while his Javelin is weak and will never be past 60-62m, he has a great deal of room for improvement in Shot and Discus (given his explosiveness). I predict he’ll break Hardee’s CR next year and be 8800+ by 2012.
No, the next big thing in the deca is Curtis Beach. You heard it here first.
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[quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1250842818"]Ashton Eaton is the next big deal in the deca. He’s far better than Clay at this stage, and while his Javelin is weak and will never be past 60-62m, he has a great deal of room for improvement in Shot and Discus (given his explosiveness). I predict he’ll break Hardee’s CR next year and be 8800+ by 2012.
No, the next big thing in the deca is Curtis Beach. You heard it here first.[/quote]
I have actually heard of Curtis Beach. He is going to be a force. And when Bryan Clay is healthy he will beat Ashton Eaton. Him and Hardee seem pretty evenly matched. Trey Hardee really impressed me. He got a little lucky in the high jump(bar wobbled) and long jump (1.9 m/s wind). Looks very good all around, and amazing at the 100 and 110m hurdles.
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My bet is on Suarez. At 21 he already has one of the best 2nd days out there and has a monster HJ. Once he shifts his focus to a little more speed/power, this kid will have the WR. I have no doubt that he will make up the 500 points needed.
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Berlino just challenged Bolt to a race, but Bolt said he didn’t want to get hurt, haha.
So he ran it himself.
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I just saw that and it was hilarious. Almost as funny as when he picked up Walker and then ran into the hurdle cart.
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Nick: just watching the women’s long jump…how often do they use adjacent runways?
I think I would find it quite distracting if I were used to being the only body “out there” and then someone else was moving relatively close to me…you know how you can sort of “feel” it when someone is in your space…and from what I have seen it is not consistent, sometimes there is someone on the adjacent runway, sometimes not (I know that part has a bit to do with the clock)
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Had to throw this in. Put it in another thread but I wanna spread the joy, lol.
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[quote author="Kendall Rackley" date="1250850268"][quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250846791"][quote author="Kendall Rackley" date="1250839712"]Yeah, there really is nothing to say about 19.19… it wasn’t even fathomable before the olympics…
[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250817486"][quote author="Snoof" date="1250817230"][quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
Speechless……[/quote]
Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…[/quote]
Is there anyone else who believes that Bolt breaking world records like this might not be good for the sport? I feel pretty bad for Alonso Edward. 19.81…[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda agree. Bolt’s kinda made track and field history seem silly, he’s blown the whole game wide open. It’s kind of demoralizing for everyone else. Bolt has certainly brought some much needed good media attention back to the athletics scene, but he’s gone so far now he has sort of generated his own world. He’s effectively in the process of superseding the sport entirely, a one man empire, and if it crashes the sport will take a crippling blow as well. We’ve just got to hope it all plays out well. I hope Bolt realizes the extent of “hidden” pressure that is set firmly on his shoulders now. He’s both a beacon of light (maybe a tad too bright), but he’s also potentially a gaping chasm. Lets just hope he’s been playing a fair game, even when others don’t. He is an anomaly no matter what mind you, hopefully non-track maniacs understand that and limit their speculation and just enjoy the show and be attracted to the remainder of the sport whilst they’re at it.
Btw, not feeling ‘too’ sorry for Alonso Edward right now. Silver behind the GOAT in 19.81 at 19yo! Whose to say he won’t progress like Bolt, he could be giving him trouble at 2012. There’s certainly no reason to think he’s finished his progression at 19, even marginal improvements are gigantic steps for him from here on out. Him and Jehue Gordon could be some of the next big things.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. It’s great that track is getting the media attention it deserves, but it’s being highlighted by Bolt entirely. I’m concerned about the “non-track maniacs” you mentioned who would probably go to a track meet and be disappointed if someone didn’t get sub 20.
When I meant about Alonso was that he wasn’t talked to that much for his performance. But I can also understand that a world record was just broken by a huge margin so he wouldn’t get his accolades. 19.81 at 19 is just… wow. I’m gonna watch out for this guy because Bolt didn’t even run that when he was 19… I don’t think.[/quote]
Yeah, I watched the race again and I kind of see what you meant though. He got 2nd but he was miles back. But age is on his side, and Bolt only ran 19.88 as a non-junior 19yo. I think he’ll have his fair share of days in the sun one day, though you’re right again, he needs to be given some big hype for what he accomplished. But what is up with the 200m since like 05? The “event” itself is like on steroids lol. Everyone is breaking 20 secs these days, it was a WOW to run 19.9x in a champs a few years back, now it is an afterthought. To think 5 went sub 20, but Gay was missing (so it would’ve been 6), and if Carter ever gets back on the bandwagon and Martina and co, the next champs could have the entire field under 20 in the final… lol. I do hope Bolt keeps being challenged, maybe the human race is somehow evolving in the sprints (lmao thinking about it happening so suddenly, maybe its increased self-belief). If Bolt is challenged by the likes of Gay, Alonso, Spearmon, Carter, etc, etc over the coming years then track and field will definitely benefit big time. A big if though, but certainly possible in these crazy days.[/quote]
I’m glad some of you knew exactly what i was saying before i actually said it…
What Bolt is going is good for fans, but only so they can get their “Bolt fix”, when he’s not competing at a meet, who cares about that meet?
He is also good for young kids, who see this animated figure who is like superman…This just might get a lot of young kids into the sport, which is great…
However, for the athletes already in the sport i cant see how its good at all…it’s like so much exposure, attention, money and just about everything else is directed now at one man…what about the up and comers, the athletes running 10.20, no one cares about them anymore because they are “slow” compared…
And i also do think it is embarrasing for former great such as Marsh, lewis, johnson, Greene, they are all like, what? how is this possible? It makes their efforts seems very small indeed…
I can’t explain it very well in words…i love watching him and find him amazing…i just get this strange feeling however, that so many athletes are just uuughhhh! at the thought of him and what he’s doing…
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[quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250850880"][quote author="Kendall Rackley" date="1250850268"][quote author="Hamish Sergel" date="1250846791"][quote author="Kendall Rackley" date="1250839712"]Yeah, there really is nothing to say about 19.19… it wasn’t even fathomable before the olympics…
[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250817486"][quote author="Snoof" date="1250817230"][quote author="ScottMiele" date="1250816269"]no ones impressed with the 19.19? lol
Speechless……[/quote]
Yeah just dunno what to say about it all…
No one has ever ran that fast, no one has ever improved as fast as him, Jamaica has never been THIS dominant before until recently…Just a lot of question marks really…
I’m not as sure as other people that what he’s doing is all that great for the sport and other athletes in it…[/quote]
Is there anyone else who believes that Bolt breaking world records like this might not be good for the sport? I feel pretty bad for Alonso Edward. 19.81…[/quote]
Yeah, I kinda agree. Bolt’s kinda made track and field history seem silly, he’s blown the whole game wide open. It’s kind of demoralizing for everyone else. Bolt has certainly brought some much needed good media attention back to the athletics scene, but he’s gone so far now he has sort of generated his own world. He’s effectively in the process of superseding the sport entirely, a one man empire, and if it crashes the sport will take a crippling blow as well. We’ve just got to hope it all plays out well. I hope Bolt realizes the extent of “hidden” pressure that is set firmly on his shoulders now. He’s both a beacon of light (maybe a tad too bright), but he’s also potentially a gaping chasm. Lets just hope he’s been playing a fair game, even when others don’t. He is an anomaly no matter what mind you, hopefully non-track maniacs understand that and limit their speculation and just enjoy the show and be attracted to the remainder of the sport whilst they’re at it.
Btw, not feeling ‘too’ sorry for Alonso Edward right now. Silver behind the GOAT in 19.81 at 19yo! Whose to say he won’t progress like Bolt, he could be giving him trouble at 2012. There’s certainly no reason to think he’s finished his progression at 19, even marginal improvements are gigantic steps for him from here on out. Him and Jehue Gordon could be some of the next big things.[/quote]
Couldn’t agree more. It’s great that track is getting the media attention it deserves, but it’s being highlighted by Bolt entirely. I’m concerned about the “non-track maniacs” you mentioned who would probably go to a track meet and be disappointed if someone didn’t get sub 20.
When I meant about Alonso was that he wasn’t talked to that much for his performance. But I can also understand that a world record was just broken by a huge margin so he wouldn’t get his accolades. 19.81 at 19 is just… wow. I’m gonna watch out for this guy because Bolt didn’t even run that when he was 19… I don’t think.[/quote]
Yeah, I watched the race again and I kind of see what you meant though. He got 2nd but he was miles back. But age is on his side, and Bolt only ran 19.88 as a non-junior 19yo. I think he’ll have his fair share of days in the sun one day, though you’re right again, he needs to be given some big hype for what he accomplished. But what is up with the 200m since like 05? The “event” itself is like on steroids lol. Everyone is breaking 20 secs these days, it was a WOW to run 19.9x in a champs a few years back, now it is an afterthought. To think 5 went sub 20, but Gay was missing (so it would’ve been 6), and if Carter ever gets back on the bandwagon and Martina and co, the next champs could have the entire field under 20 in the final… lol. I do hope Bolt keeps being challenged, maybe the human race is somehow evolving in the sprints (lmao thinking about it happening so suddenly, maybe its increased self-belief). If Bolt is challenged by the likes of Gay, Alonso, Spearmon, Carter, etc, etc over the coming years then track and field will definitely benefit big time. A big if though, but certainly possible in these crazy days.[/quote]
I’m glad some of you knew exactly what i was saying before i actually said it…
What Bolt is going is good for fans, but only so they can get their “Bolt fix”, when he’s not competing at a meet, who cares about that meet?
He is also good for young kids, who see this animated figure who is like superman…This just might get a lot of young kids into the sport, which is great…
However, for the athletes already in the sport i cant see how its good at all…it’s like so much exposure, attention, money and just about everything else is directed now at one man…what about the up and comers, the athletes running 10.20, no one cares about them anymore because they are “slow” compared…
And i also do think it is embarrasing for former great such as Marsh, lewis, johnson, Greene, they are all like, what? how is this possible? It makes their efforts seems very small indeed…
I can’t explain it very well in words…i love watching him and find him amazing…i just get this strange feeling however, that so many athletes are just uuughhhh! at the thought of him and what he’s doing…[/quote]
Exactly, like if those before didn’t know how to run…
This leap from 9.77 to 9.58 (and 200 also) is just tooooooo big in such a short time. It took few decades to come from 10.00 to 9.77 and now this. :-S
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[quote author="Jay Turner" date="1250885150"][quote author="Matt Norquist (WashedupDec)" date="1250842818"]Ashton Eaton is the next big deal in the deca. He’s far better than Clay at this stage, and while his Javelin is weak and will never be past 60-62m, he has a great deal of room for improvement in Shot and Discus (given his explosiveness). I predict he’ll break Hardee’s CR next year and be 8800+ by 2012.
No, the next big thing in the deca is Curtis Beach. You heard it here first.[/quote]
I have actually heard of Curtis Beach. He is going to be a force. And when Bryan Clay is healthy he will beat Ashton Eaton. Him and Hardee seem pretty evenly matched. Trey Hardee really impressed me. He got a little lucky in the high jump(bar wobbled) and long jump (1.9 m/s wind). Looks very good all around, and amazing at the 100 and 110m hurdles.[/quote]
Yes – Curtis Beach is the real thing. Wonder if he will develop a strong enough 100 (he’s 11.0x right now) to put up big points in the next few years. His lack of natural javelin ability also holds him back.
What I meant about Eaton is that he is better now than Bryan was at age 21. Not by a lot, but by enough. His thing is that he needs to get his throws up. If he were even an average thrower (2300 + on the throws) he would be competing for gold already.
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Anybody who thought Lemaitre wouldn’t of made the finals should have seen him gain a huge amount of ground on Richard Thompson. I said it a couple days ago, he would have been 9.8x in the finals. Too bad it wouldn’t of even got him a medal, but wow. This kid has talent. Japan always makes a good team too. Relay prediction:
1. Jamaica
2. USA
3. TrinidadI hope France sqeaks by.
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U.S. makes it to the finals, shakey handoff with rodgers and crawford but they made it work.
Question is, who will run in the finals?
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I spoke too soon. Italy is fast. Wow. So here’s my list. I admit France is a reach over Great Britain but I am really rooting for the second fastest junior ever in the 100, Lemaitre. There will be at least one casualty, and I hope it’s GB because Ayreety should not be on that team. The announcer on universalsports.com made it seem like the change from Pickering to Ayreety made all the difference. The difference was Ayreety didn’t have Asafa Powell on his ass.
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Why wouldn’t bolt run?
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I spoke too soon. Italy is fast. Wow. So here’s my list. I admit France is a reach over Great Britain but I am really rooting for the second fastest junior ever in the 100, Lemaitre. There will be at least one casualty, and I hope it’s GB because Ayreety should not be on that team. The announcer on universalsports.com made it seem like [b]the change from Pickering to Ayreety made all the difference[/b]. The difference was Ayreety didn’t have Asafa Powell on his ass.
1.USA
2.Trinidad
3.France
4.Great Britain
5.Jamaica (will Bolt run now?)
6.Italy
7.Canada
8.JapanGreat Britain & N.I.
(Simeon Williamson; Tyrone Edgar; Marlon Devonish; Harry Aikines-Aryeetey)Unfortunately Craig didn’t run.
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Why wouldn’t bolt run?
Wasn’t sure if he will but if he does then that boosts Jamaica to Gold, lol. Now that I think about it he probably just took the semis off, and will run in the finals. Good call. Same with Asafa, if his groin isn’t hurt.
Can we get Lemaitre’s split?
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[quote author="Jake Sumner" date="1250898166"]I spoke too soon. Italy is fast. Wow. So here’s my list. I admit France is a reach over Great Britain but I am really rooting for the second fastest junior ever in the 100, Lemaitre. There will be at least one casualty, and I hope it’s GB because Ayreety should not be on that team. The announcer on universalsports.com made it seem like [b]the change from Pickering to Ayreety made all the difference[/b]. The difference was Ayreety didn’t have Asafa Powell on his ass.
1.USA
2.Trinidad
3.France
4.Great Britain
5.Jamaica (will Bolt run now?)
6.Italy
7.Canada
8.JapanGreat Britain & N.I.
(Simeon Williamson; Tyrone Edgar; Marlon Devonish; Harry Aikines-Aryeetey)Unfortunately Craig didn’t run.[/quote]
Yeah, I know. I was referencing Beijing to Berlin, and how the announcer today was talking about how nice the handoff and leg of Ayreety was, when he didn’t deserve to be there in the first place. He came in 5th at the trials!
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Bolt will definitely run. Not sure Asafa will be ready in time. Either way i think this will be a very close relay. I really want Wallace spearmon on 2nd instead of Doc. I got faith in wallace on a rolling leg.
Head to Head
Trammel vs Mullings = slight edge to mullings but if you saw trammel on first tonight he absolutely killed simeon williamson who is a 10.1 runner.
Spearmon vs Frater = Giving this to one wallace by a small margin.
Bolt vs Crawford = Obviously this goes to bolt but as i think you will agree after watching the 200m it wont be too much of a margin.
Gay vs Powell ( if fit) Gay will do as much damage to asafa as Bolt can do to crawford and thats if asafa is fit. No powell and USA will be fine.
Another factor here is that jamaica may well be in lane 1,2,7 or 8. If they were to get an inside lane it would be very tough for them.
Regarding the GB team i think Harry showed why he was selected on that 4th leg. He ran great.
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GB is protesting that Crawford to Patton was to early..
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Merritt by far. But still no time under 44 this year, it’s a slow year for the 400m. Feel a little bad for Chris Brown he’s been so close to a medal so many times.
Also only 4 men over 2.28 in the high jump, that’s almost pathetic. The rain delay obviously didn’t make it easy, but come on.
Abubaker Kaki tripped over his own legs lol. Not exactly a championship runner this guy.
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Wow, U.S. disqualified in the 4×100 as of now..
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Wariner looks …..hate to say it but normal! You use to bet on him working the 200-300 and carrying that down the straight but you can now see he starting to slow between 250 and 300 which means by 350 the tank is on empty while Lashawn gradually builds it up from 200 and runs a great 250-300 so he then holds it down the straight!
too much talk on 200-300 kick, the key to the 400 is 250-300!
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Is it not interesting that everyone EXCEPT one athlete is “normal” in these world championships…
Look at Felix for example, she was also a GREAT junior athlete, got all the way to high 21’s (normal for an elite elite 200m female…and she still runs 22.00-22.50 regularly and has now won a WC with a time in the 22’s…
Merrit, is great and ran sub 45 indoors a few years back, still runs 44 low most of the time…
And then there’s Bolt…how and why is he SOOOOOOOOO different from the rest…
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Pileup in 800m was ridiculous. A couple top seeds gone from there.
And then Kiprop, fails again in the 800m. He was supposed to leave with 2 medals and ends up with none.Symmonds on to the final, interested to see how that will play out.
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Is it not interesting that everyone EXCEPT one athlete is “normal” in these world championships…
Look at Felix for example, she was also a GREAT junior athlete, got all the way to high 21’s (normal for an elite elite 200m female…and she still runs 22.00-22.50 regularly and has now won a WC with a time in the 22’s…
Merrit, is great and ran sub 45 indoors a few years back, still runs 44 low most of the time…
And then there’s Bolt…how and why is he SOOOOOOOOO different from the rest…
You know why nick.
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lol…i’m not sure…
I doubt its coaching, because Felix progression has been consistant and natural and he she must be one of the most talented athletes in the world yet you dont see her running 20.8 in the 200m, which is pretty much the equivelent to Bolts time…
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what i meant is that her training is like a 400m runner…bolt wasn’t running unbelievable times when he was doing 400 type training but you can’t deny they were good times. He focuses on the 100 rather, his speed improves, his start improves etc. We’ll see in a few years though because there were a number of 19-21yr old runners putting up impressive times so well see how they progress.
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lol…i’m not sure…
I doubt its coaching, because Felix progression has been consistant and natural and he she must be one of the most talented athletes in the world yet you dont see her running 20.8 in the 200m, which is pretty much the equivelent to Bolts time…
I would agree with you about Felix, but I think many would argue her coach is holding her back. However, I think if you dig deeper into the Patrick Arnold (BALCO chemist) and RTC link, you’ll come to understand why Bolt is so different and how RTC has become the premier sprint club.
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what i meant is that her training is like a 400m runner…bolt wasn’t running unbelievable times when he was doing 400 type training but you can’t deny they were good times. He focuses on the 100 rather, his speed improves, his start improves etc. We’ll see in a few years though because there were a number of 19-21yr old runners putting up impressive times so well see how they progress.
Or Patrick Arnold is supplying the new clean and the new clear which covers its tracks under the use of Methylhexaneamine which also happens to be a stimulant.
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And funny that he also owns the patent on that very same stimulant
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[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250929470"]lol…i’m not sure…
I doubt its coaching, because Felix progression has been consistant and natural and he she must be one of the most talented athletes in the world yet you dont see her running 20.8 in the 200m, which is pretty much the equivelent to Bolts time…
I would agree with you about Felix, but I think many would argue her coach is holding her back. However, I think if you dig deeper into the Patrick Arnold (BALCO chemist) and RTC link, you’ll come to understand why Bolt is so different and how RTC has become the premier sprint club.[/quote]
But drugs aren’t the answer as to why Bolt is so freaking insane. He may be dirty, atm we really have no clue, but the fact is no one sprinter has better drugs then other other professional athlete in history. The guy’s a freak, and if he is doping then I can’t think of any other great who I’d assume wasn’t.
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The following is a link to an interview done by Stephanie Brown Trafton (after not advancing to the last three throws of the discus final) that to me points towards a lot of issues, not the least of which is how does the sport advance in terms of viewing by general public (say everyone not with some personal investment) if some of the athletes competing do not themselves place a high importance on Worlds.
I get the Olympics is on a higher level, still…am I missing something? Or take what she said pretty much at face value? If taken at face value, she should not be going to another Worlds unless she can now somehow prove her attitude/ideals have changed; I am guessing there are a few out there who would be very happy to be good enough to go and compete. -
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[quote author="Daniel Andrews" date="1250930081"][quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250929470"]lol…i’m not sure…
I doubt its coaching, because Felix progression has been consistant and natural and he she must be one of the most talented athletes in the world yet you dont see her running 20.8 in the 200m, which is pretty much the equivelent to Bolts time…
I would agree with you about Felix, but I think many would argue her coach is holding her back. However, I think if you dig deeper into the Patrick Arnold (BALCO chemist) and RTC link, you’ll come to understand why Bolt is so different and how RTC has become the premier sprint club.[/quote]
But drugs aren’t the answer as to why Bolt is so freaking insane. He may be dirty, atm we really have no clue, but the fact is no one sprinter has better drugs then other other professional athlete in history. The guy’s a freak, and if he is doping then I can’t think of any other great who I’d assume wasn’t.[/quote]
Bolt would have been the perfect candidate in 2004/2005 for someone to approach with a similar plan to Conte’s Marion Jones for 5 Golds plan and who else to undertake this other than Arnold?
Pump Bolt with HGH and the new sterols for 3 years while he is still maturing and the metabolites of the new sterols don’t get detected with microdosing during the competitive season while he has relatively high testosterone and epitestosterone levels due to maturity and of course HGH intake cannot be proven. Then you factor in Jamaica and how often testing occurs in the offseason there so you can go with higher dosages and still likely pass a test that occurs within a week or do it right after each test.
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most of the jamaican team that is at the top are from MVP track club with asafa or another club
You are missing the point, RTC almost set the World Record in the 4×1. Most of the athletes are younger and are better candidates to put through a doping regime than older athletes who don’t put out as much testosterone meaning its easier to micro-dose over a longer period of time. Also, no club has improved its athletes like the RTC athletes ever in history, not even the SMTC.
Smoke, Fire, Burned
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The following is a link to an interview done by Stephanie Brown Trafton (after not advancing to the last three throws of the discus final) that to me points towards a lot of issues, not the least of which is how does the sport advance in terms of viewing by general public (say everyone not with some personal investment) if some of the athletes competing do not themselves place a high importance on Worlds.
I get the Olympics is on a higher level, still…am I missing something? Or take what she said pretty much at face value? If taken at face value, she should not be going to another Worlds unless she can now somehow prove her attitude/ideals have changed; I am guessing there are a few out there who would be very happy to be good enough to go and compete.Yep, if you don’t plan on being your best or attempting to do so then give your spot to someone else.
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So, the mens 4×100 relay…. GB for gold? Jamaica looked terrible with their changes, and they had to rely very heavily on Frater and Mullings. No USA. Can T&T go much quicker?
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Italy has lane 4 and was looking very fast. I bet they will get 4th plce behind Jamaica, Trinidad, and Great Britain. Maybe third if one of those teams has a bad handoff sequence. France could pull of a bronze too, with Lemaitre being one of the fastest closers I’ve ever seen. It is very obvious that Brazil, Canada, and Japan have no shot at all, unless several teams screw up (like Beijing).
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Gold: Phillips
Silver: Makoena
Bronze: WattWatt fouled but that foul looked like it would’ve won had he been luckier (well over 8.5). I thought Lapierre would get bronze, but Watt looks pretty good right now.
Saladino got a taste of what Tsatoumas went through last year. You can’t be your best every day. 3 and out. That was anything but anti-climactic. Watt almost won. I wanted to see how much he fouled by but they didn’t show it.
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Wlodarczyk won women’s hammer with a world record throw of 77.96m!
No WR for Jamaican relays. The change between Frater and Bolt was really horrible. Frater barely managed to pass to Bolt, while Bolt caught Powell to soon.
Great runs from T&T and GBRs relays:)
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Wow, what a bizarre championship evening!
The polish hammer thrower threw a WR, celebrated, and twisted her ankle. No throws after that, only icing.
Steven Hooker, injured, didn’t do any mark-running in the warm-up, let alone any warm-up jumps. Yet he’s the world champion now. Classic Hollywood, yet real. Simply amazing!
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Wlodarczyk won women’s hammer with a world record throw of 77.96m!
She got really lucky (sort of). While celebrating the WR she injured herself, and could only watch as the German in 2nd place kept getting closer and closer for each throw.
The throw competitions have been extremely exciting this year.
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Craig Pickering just beat 3/4 of the GB bronze medal relay team today in Gateshead. 10.32 into a huge 2 m/s headwind. Marlon Devonish, Harry Aikeens-Ayreety, and Tyrone Edgar all just got dusted by him in Gateshead. I bring this up because 22 y.o. Pickering, who already has a relay bronze medal in the 4×1, was not selected for the British 4×1 team. For some reason he wasn’t even in the A race today. He had the 2nd best performance behind Tyson Gay, with 10.16, to give you an idea of the conditions. A great race, maybe one of his best, but this really irritates me. He is young, doesn’t cheat, and is the second fastest non drug cheat in the UK, and he’s not even on the relay team. Wow.
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Yeah, I feel bad for him. He looked stellar today at top speed and you could see some of his frustrations being let out in the interview afterward.
Damn fine job by Craig. That run is worth much more than that time says.
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Good jog Craig!
Wow the mens long jump was interesting as well…
Lapierres series was strange, he recently jumped 7.62m in Europe as well…And Rutherford? What happened there….from 8.30m to struggling to jump 7.80m in one week!? ? ? ?
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Congrats Craig! Must have been a helluva run
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” date=”1251776493″]Yes, good run by Craig! Our boy Guilev ran 10.51 -0.4 in Zagreb. How things change.
Also nice PR by Blanca Vlasic at 2.08. Women’s high jump is by far the most difficult event to PR in. Not enough CMs, not enough opportunities, and no magic tailwinds.That was a monster jump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veMYLo4HtXI
I’d say she definitely has WR in her sometime soon. Wonder how much higher she can go…
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I do think your white power has gone a bit far with that lol! You exagerate (sp) a lot…
Good to see I am not alone in my white supremacy.
https://www.european-athletics.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7795&Itemid=2
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[quote author="Nick Newman" date="1250374073"]I do think your white power has gone a bit far with that lol! You exagerate (sp) a lot…
Good to see I am not alone in my white supremacy.
https://www.european-athletics.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7795&Itemid=2%5B/quote%5DIt’s easy to find someone to support any viewpoint on the internet.
Lemaitre is running great but it’s still a little early to suspect he’ll be running with Gay, Bolt, Asafa, and company and churning out sub 9.80s every week. He beat Dwain’s world junior record by 0.02 and Dwain got to 9.97 (w/o drugs). That’s almost 4 tenths of a second behind Bolt and a quarter second behind Powell and Gay. If you’re argument was just that he can break 10 seconds I think you’d find a lot more enthusiastic supporters but your recent claims seem to me to still be a big stretch and unsupported by the overwhelming number of guys who through out very fast times at a young age (Bolt not withstanding).
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